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1/31/2021  11:29 AM
Welpee wrote:Lesson: when the pre-draft scouting report questions a player's motor, stay clear.


Yes - this! The signs were there and we ignored them. Outplaying a guy 4 inches shorter in a 1 on 1 matchup was supposedly a big part of why we went with Knox. I believe it's also why we picked Shumpert when he shot well for a MDA workout. At least he seemed like he was going to be really good until his injury. Spurs can afford to swing for guys like Knox because they surround them with the right culture from the start and don't rely on their draft picks being so important to their game plan. We continue building this defensive culture and we'll get there one day.
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1/31/2021  11:46 AM
Bridges and Brunson are good role players. Brunson does not pass the eye test but Bridges does. He at age 25 has taken a big leap this year.
Has having Chris Paul helped Ayton and Booker elevate their games? Now multiply that and apply it to Bridges. Adding CP3 and the others elevating their game is overall a great thing.
I won’t say if you switch players they reverse roles. They are very different.
At this moment in time Bridges is a solid contributor that started with solid defense which kept him on the court. The team and coaching has gotten better around him and he has risen to the challenge.
At the conclusion of this Season Knox will he been the same age Bridges was when he was drafted.
Does this contrast quantify a reason for knicks coaches to give up on him? I don’t know. Fan frustration is not the same. I don’t argue the concept. I liked the idea of drafting Bridges at the time and no doubt Knox has not stepped up. Question is at this moment is like buying a stock. At present valuations what is the outlook on KK, his age, progress given this coaching staff’s set of standards since they took over. Sometimes there are players close to breaking thru. Sometimes they are stagnant. KK has so many “In and out” shots its this fans wishful thinking he might be close.
No doubt the longer Frank and Kevin prolong progress the more frustrating it is. Its funny how close in age they are in age to IQ who by contrast is making them look bad by his low draft status and high achievement in this strangest of seasons.
Thank goodness for that BTW!!!!
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1/31/2021  11:56 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

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1/31/2021  11:59 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

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1/31/2021  12:08 PM
TPercy wrote:Next year is a contract year for him right? Window is getting shorter and shorter for him to make a case. He looks much better than last year, but he's still missing some things. Would be a shame if we have two consecutive misses.

Knox is just way too slow on defense. His shot looks much better this season he’s been really good hitting those corner threes and he’s good in transition

He’s Keith Van Horn
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BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

It’s all about the tenacity on defense. The reason why RJ is going to have an excellent career here and Knox will be a journeyman is RJ works hard on D, grabs boards etc so even if he isn’t scoring he’s still a net positive in games

That’s part of why I want Frank replacing Elf in the rotation though it’s never going to happen
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1/31/2021  12:19 PM

In school Obi got to set up by the paint and he had all the room in the paint. Notice how much room he has. He flashed out once to a 3 pt but it was fluid. Youll never see what this guy has unless he gets his chance to have open space in the paint. That means he needs to play % at times with randle at 4.

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1/31/2021  12:27 PM
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Next year is a contract year for him right? Window is getting shorter and shorter for him to make a case. He looks much better than last year, but he's still missing some things. Would be a shame if we have two consecutive misses.

Knox is just way too slow on defense. His shot looks much better this season he’s been really good hitting those corner threes and he’s good in transition

He’s Keith Van Horn

KVH avged 8 rebounds per game. As Isiah once said about KVH being soft "You don't be soft with that reboudiung figure". KVH could shoot. He would have been more relevant in this era.
KVH evolved over time to a very good player but was hurt by his doorky hair cut and Marbury Diva fingerpointing. Despite the fact they played very well together as knicks Isiah had to make his smooth vasaline star happy getting the enigma that was Fugazi Thomas.
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martin wrote:Have to say I get the feel that the coaching staff probably isn't high on Kevin. He gets the quick hook when he messes up and his minutes are dwindling.

Man his decision making is just horrid. Maybe he has improved his shot a little his year but I'd guess he is not long for this team.

I don't even know what Miles Bridges is doing but it's probably more than Knox

Very possible we could have traded down at the time if I remember correctly for both of those Clipper picks

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Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Next year is a contract year for him right? Window is getting shorter and shorter for him to make a case. He looks much better than last year, but he's still missing some things. Would be a shame if we have two consecutive misses.

Knox is just way too slow on defense. His shot looks much better this season he’s been really good hitting those corner threes and he’s good in transition

He’s Keith Van Horn

KVH avged 8 rebounds per game. As Isiah once said about KVH being soft "You don't be soft with that reboudiung figure". KVH could shoot. He would have been more relevant in this era.
KVH evolved over time to a very good player but was hurt by his doorky hair cut and Marbury Diva fingerpointing. Despite the fact they played very well together as knicks Isiah had to make his smooth vasaline star happy getting the enigma that was Fugazi Thomas.

I’m not disagreeing with you but if Knox had the same minutes KVH had on the Nets the first 4 years of his career he would put up similar numbers including boards

Both players are just too slow laterally to defend the perimeter in the nba
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1/31/2021  4:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

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1/31/2021  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2021  4:22 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

RIP Crushalot😞
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1/31/2021  4:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

That was against Indian State college. Here is their roster: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/2020.html

All of their guys are like 6'9" and below. Starting 5: 6'3", 5'10", 6'9", 6'4", 6'7".

Were they even ranked as a top 100 college team in the nation?

What is this video supposed to show us?

We already know Obi can overwhelm college players. They are small. He is big and fast.

But against NBA players?

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martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

That was against Indian State college. Here is their roster: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/2020.html

All of their guys are like 6'9" and below. Starting 5: 6'3", 5'10", 6'9", 6'4", 6'7".

Were they even ranked as a top 100 college team in the nation?

What is this video supposed to show us?

We already know Obi can overwhelm college players. They are small. He is big and fast.

But against NBA players?

Obi did most of his work in college in the paint. He did not play very much behind the 3 point line. That’s what we bought

RIP Crushalot😞
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1/31/2021  5:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

That was against Indian State college. Here is their roster: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/2020.html

All of their guys are like 6'9" and below. Starting 5: 6'3", 5'10", 6'9", 6'4", 6'7".

Were they even ranked as a top 100 college team in the nation?

What is this video supposed to show us?

We already know Obi can overwhelm college players. They are small. He is big and fast.

But against NBA players?

Obi did most of his work in college in the paint. He did not play very much behind the 3 point line. That’s what we bought

OK, defensively speaking though I don't know if he played C in college. Either way, he is in the NBA now.

And he did shoot some from outside at school and did it OK.

The Knicks FO and coach WANTED Taj because they have seen enough of Obi to know he is not a C. He is not strong enough at PF as it stands.

His center of gravity is very high, like at his neck. He can't post up and uproot players.

Maybe you would like to see him at C but the coaching staff doesn't and really it's a moot point.

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1/31/2021  5:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

That was against Indian State college. Here is their roster: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/2020.html

All of their guys are like 6'9" and below. Starting 5: 6'3", 5'10", 6'9", 6'4", 6'7".

Were they even ranked as a top 100 college team in the nation?

What is this video supposed to show us?

We already know Obi can overwhelm college players. They are small. He is big and fast.

But against NBA players?

Obi did most of his work in college in the paint. He did not play very much behind the 3 point line. That’s what we bought



I think Thibs wanted to play Obi and Randle together, but Obi's injury slowed things down. Also, Obi is the one who would be forced outside. Jules is just stronger and more imposing playing the interior. Defense is also a question. I think they'll get there eventually, but I don't think the Obi/Randle frontcourt can work right now. If you want to see Obi get any work in the paint, then he needs to do it away from Randle.
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BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

Briggs is right. Obi's best position is center. What I don't undetstand is why the Knicks thought drafting a 6'9" center that provides zero protection and no post defense was a good idea. How could the same front office that drafted Quickley think Obi was a good idea

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Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

Briggs is right. Obi's best position is center. What I don't undetstand is why the Knicks thought drafting a 6'9" center that provides zero protection and no post defense was a good idea. How could the same front office that drafted Quickley think Obi was a good idea

Probably because they view Obi as a PF and not a C.

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Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside

The Knicks are exceeding expectations this year and it’s predicated on their defense first. The defense is predicated on Mitch and Nerlens being almost exactly the same type of defensive player and solidifying things at the rim outward.

But let’s mess all that up and blindly throw something against the wall to see if it sticks?

Did I sum that up right?

Unless u give a guy a chance u don’t know what u have. We could easily give him a 4-1set for ten minutes

Again, that's just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks.

We of course don't know what happens in practice and don't have that insight.

Obi's upside is on the offensive end of things and it is generally assumed his defense is much longer away. He has barely been able to get on track offensively and that's being generous.

The Knicks are a defensive team first. Just knowing Thibs, he won't shake things up just to try something.

Defense teams first won’t win enough. I’m sure there’s a happy medium?
What do you mean throw something against the wall??? You can take the time to watch the video I provided for u???? It shows how obi can thrive at the 5 position. If that doesn’t correlate with what TT does they should’ve passed on him in the draft

Briggs is right. Obi's best position is center. What I don't undetstand is why the Knicks thought drafting a 6'9" center that provides zero protection and no post defense was a good idea. How could the same front office that drafted Quickley think Obi was a good idea

He looks totally out of his comfort zone, the role he has is uncharted territory for him, and the system doesn't seem to fit his skill set.

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