KnickDanger wrote:Just to get this in early, our 2021 first pick -- whomever -- is a bust.

Yeah...but you gotta admit that you're excited for those 2023 second rounders.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SkyWalker wrote:What I'm wondering is (besides for the Knicks being high on Toppin) were the Knicks so high on IQ (because of Payne & Coach Cal) that they knew they were definitely drafting him with their 2nd pick? Was that why they perhaps got scared the day of the draft and traded up to make sure they would get him and then when saw how the draft was going they moved back down a few spots knowing he would still be there? If that is the case then they probably would have passed on Halliburton regardless of Toppin and tried to take more of a wing or a big man instead at #8.

gut feeling is they wanted Maxey and saw Quickly as a plan B. I think Maxey was the higher rated PG prospect but Quickley was likely viewed as simply a good basketball player and the staff would figure it out and that looks about right.

I think they were targeting Quickley from the get go. Maxey falling probably wasn't anticipated and it would've been interesting to see what they would've done if both of those guys were available.

didn't they trade back from 23 after Maxey went at 21 (only to trade forward yet again)?

could be the case they were thinking of maxey too

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Obi was the most overrated player in the draft by the media. With who was on the board had the Knicks passed, he would of been picked outside the top 10. He has zero lateral agility. His only hope is as a small ball 5 and even there we have issues. He has a really high center of gravity and lacks strength in his lower body. He won't be able to guard on the perimeter or guard the post. This will limit him to being a zero sum bench player, he projects that poorly defensively.

well we lost a couple games so I figured to see you trashing one of the guys. Obi is a personal favorite. I like when the Knicks are playing well and we dont have to read this trash as these types of posts only surface during losing streaks

Obi wasnt media hyped. That is literally garbage. He was the best player on the best college team. Dude was unstoppable on a Dayton team that never lost and most of the season was listed a lock to go top 3. Then a couple guys moved up and Obi fell. Carry on Jmpasq with your revision of history

Of course he was hyped he was picked before the Knicks selection in every mock draft. Sporting News had him as the best prospect in the class. Im tired of watching this team waste lottery picks. Barrett is the only one worth a damn.

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I think they wanted Maxey at 25 first, but knew Quickley would be there as a fallback. Imagine if they drafted both of them with Maxey at 8? Media would have roasted them but both are proving to be top 10 caliber. Still I feel like the Obi/Quickley draft will prove strong in the long run. Quickley can fix the PG problem we always have an Toppin can be an elite 6th man.

I have no clue why people are souring on Topin. Its just silly.

I was always sour on him. He was the one guy I did not want us to pick. His defense was so bad. If he looked that bad vs smaller, younger, and less physically developed players in college how does he translate to the NBA

You can correct defense....effort, strength, being in shape, ran through a few nba off season programs, nba training for a few years...nutritionist...all of that will help improve his defense. Thibs and he's a gym rat...he works on weaknesses...thats who he is. What doesn't always improve is your feel for the game on offense and playing that carl Malone type game. It looks like nothing becasue its 2021...and not 1990....but if you see how Randle is killing. Hes a perfect model for obi. And thibs is perfect coach to improve his defense. So I wouldn't worry about that.

What I worry about is what he's known for. Which is scoring and doing highlight momentum changing dunks. He needs to do what got him drafted. His defense will come on later.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I think they wanted Maxey at 25 first, but knew Quickley would be there as a fallback. Imagine if they drafted both of them with Maxey at 8? Media would have roasted them but both are proving to be top 10 caliber. Still I feel like the Obi/Quickley draft will prove strong in the long run. Quickley can fix the PG problem we always have an Toppin can be an elite 6th man.

I have no clue why people are souring on Topin. Its just silly.

I’m high on him as a prospect. I don’t think he can be a star necessarily but he can be a 20/10 guy in the league no doubt. In a bad draft that’s a bargain at 8. But my concern is his future role here. Randle is looking like a star and with Thibs close with the front office, even if the Knicks were to really start losing games I don’t see Randle going anywhere. He and Barrett are Thibs guys. So Toppin will have to show enough to force Thibs to play him alongside Randle for stretches and not have a rim protector out there. If he can do that than he has 30 mpg off the bench behind Randle and Robinson. But it will be interesting to see if Thibs can fully commit to that eventually.

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:Just imagine...what if in 2 years....which is still new, compared to other vets who play 16 or 17 yrs if u lucky....but what if his defense catches up to his current offense in 2 years. And by then, his offense also improves slightly? This entire thread will be LAUGHABLE....

Yeah just like the Frank threads comparing him to Kawhi Leonard

You got that backwards, we were comparing Kawhi Leonard to Frank.

ramtour420 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:Just imagine...what if in 2 years....which is still new, compared to other vets who play 16 or 17 yrs if u lucky....but what if his defense catches up to his current offense in 2 years. And by then, his offense also improves slightly? This entire thread will be LAUGHABLE....

Yeah just like the Frank threads comparing him to Kawhi Leonard

You got that backwards, we were comparing Kawhi Leonard to Frank.

If you watched the video of Toppin lowlights of him on defense it would have the same affect of other vids were for 10 min a guy does not miss to a thumping soundtrack.

Pro scouts do more work then we do. Its not that they are always right, but they get one window to make the pick and live with it. Fans get. Like “Yeah I’d take this guy then this one, then I got this other one. TIme goes on you liked three guys. The one that hits it fan be like like “yeah I had this guy all along”. True but others as well.