Uptown wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:OBI controls our narrative with his RoY bit.
Quick today was part of the problem as well as he did play.
The kid is learning. Really Obi had a few nice moments too.
The dim cheers for RJ is a bit puzzling. The kid was really our anchor today.
Shame most of you don’t see it.

One of my basketball fandom shortcomings is that I am looking for a hero. Not a solid role player. Not a solid rotation guy. I'm looking for Derek Jeter even though Jeff Nelson was pretty important to those championship teams.

I see a guy like Quickley and I am reminded of that Linsanity spark -- which makes it fun to watch. So, what do I do? I look for reasons to get IQ into the game. Logical arguments. Honestly, that is all this is for me. Watch how I spin this.

1) Barrett is good but needs floor space to work his game.
2) The lineup of Elf Barrett Bullock Randle Robinson doesn't have enough consistent shooters tp spread the floor.
3) Barrett and Randle are really good - we should work around their shooting.
4) Robinson is a C...its ok if he can't shoot. Bullock can kind of shoot.
5) Elf is a terrible shooter.
6) IQ is a great shooter
7) IQ should replace Elf cause Barrett isn't a good enough shooter to play next to Elf.

Its a logical argument solely to create an opportunity to see if IQ can re-create Linsanity cause I want a hero.

If you really break down all of these criticisms of Elf and Barrett, its more about Quickley than it is about them. I want to believe. Quickley lets me have both a chance at Quick-sanity and a higher ceiling for Barrett.

I here you but its not all spin. The reason why most of us do not like Payton is because he represents years of mediocre to below average pg's we've seen at MSG. From Tony Douglas, to Jarett Jack to Ramon Sessions...the list goes on and on. Fringe pg's signed to 1 year deals that are seemingly just in the way. Similar to Jack and Sessions, Payton is what he is at this point in his career; he's a journeyman. A bench player on a really good team and maybe a fringe starter on a team that is most likely not good enough to make the playoffs...What makes it worse, is that Payton is on a 1 year deal worth 5 million so obviously the front office don't think he's a part of the future either.

What adds gasoline to burning rage (OK, maybe its not that deep, just wanted to play with the words ) lot of us have for Payton is he is blocking a potential future pg. Similar to Jack and Sessions taking valuable development minutes from Frank, we see Payton doing the same to Quickley. Of course, there is no guarantee that Quick is good enough to be a starting point guard in this league, but Knick fans are starved for one, so what's the point in waiting when we've been garbage for years? Lets find out now! Aint we supposed to be in the developmental stages of our growth anyway? Why not allow Quick to play the 4th quarter yesterday even-though the Magic were mounting a comeback? It would have been a great learning experience for Quick, having to deal with actual NBA intense 4th quarter game play. So what if we lost, or if Quick struggled, it would have been better for him down the road. What if he excelled?

As far as your other points, I don't think its spin to wonder about the spacing or lack there-of between Payton, Randle and RJ. Its a legit concern if we are thinking about this team next year, and the years after that and so-on....For me this has nothing to do with Linsanity, but everything to do with the need for an actual point guard that we can rely on for years. Linsanity crashed and burned after several weeks, I'm looking for Mark Jackson....Stability.

The LEARN ON THE FLY development process is for Tanking, Let these young players master their current skill set before you try to push them to the next level.

You already know no veteran championship coach is going to trust a rookie to run his team.

GustavBahler wrote:Dont know how good this ranking is, has Quickley at #9, among rooks.

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

Anthony Edwards 18th - ouch
C's draft 26th and he ranks 5th
Tillman second rounder ranked THIRD!

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont know how good this ranking is, has Quickley at #9, among rooks.

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

Quick averaging the least amount of minutes of rookies in the top 15....

Certainly interesting but it is way premature to take too much from this. A lot seems to do with playing time. Quick and even more so Obi haven't got the minutes in. True for other rooks as well. And of course they are in fact all rookies. On the other hand I'd say Halliburton and some others are showing they belong.

wargames wrote:

TheGame wrote:If Thibbs fully unleashed Quickley and gave him 35 minute a game, this kid actually could make a run at rookie of the year. I don’t think Thibbs is going to do that, and I personally like bring Quickley along slowly in that it: 1) keeps tank commander Payton fulfilling his role; 2) Quickley really is not ready to run a team full time yet as there are plenty of nuisances to the game that he has yet to fully understand (which is expected); and 3) having him as a weapon off the bench gives us something to fall back on when the starters aren’t producing. But it is amazing that this kid is this good at the 25th pick. This kid should have gone top 14 at worst.

He fell because narrative. He played off ball Maxey so everyone thought he would be a small SG. Especially when he was mediocre as a PG his Freshman year.

So they ignored the fact he had top 5 shooting in the combine, and that in high school he was a top tier pg and was recruited to Kentucky for the pg position. There were a lot of signs he would be ok as a PG. I think if there had been a normal season we would have seen his stock rise.

He sort of like Mitch, where in hindsight you look at their record in HS and it shows their NBA potential.

As some may remember I was one of a many who wanted to trade the 8th pick for a couple more mid and late first picks. Wanted Maxey, an athletic 3 and/or a shooter. I did not want a PG with the eight pick as I thought we could get someone comparable to those being talked about in top 10. Quicks and Maxey proved me right because I feel they are just as good as Haliburton or others. However, not disappointed with Toppin as the pick nor would I have done anything differently. Think the Knicks had to pick Toppin as he was thought to be a 4 pick. Knicks also did a great job scouting Quicks.

Also think that the way they are handling Quicks is fair and exactly how he should be handled. Not often Rookies are given the type of freedom and playing time Quicks has been getting. Of course due to his great play. I do think that it is best to keep him with the second unit. If he was in the first unit I do not think we would have seen him take off so quickly. Pun. He would have to be more of a facilitator due to RJ and Randle being higher options. Payton has been in the league longer and has played more with those two and feels comfortable being more aggressive with shots. Thibs has also shown that he will go with who ever is hot to end the game. Which is all you want.

Obi is still getting his legs, but I’m worried about him. He is really awkward, doesn’t have any real moves and is a tweener. He can finish when he’s set up, but doesn’t appear to have the skills to get by people and his strength is very overrated. It’s very early, but we always seem to **** up lottery picks.

Halliburton is going to be a starter and a difference maker for the next decade, that was the pick. He can shoot, handle, defend and more importantly play with anyone. Second time in three years we had a sure fire starter and took a swing.

Having Bridges and Halliburton next to RJ would have been championship defense in the making. He could have been really special playing with Quick as well. Hopefully Obi continues to work, but at 22 he should be able to come in and really contribute.

MS wrote:Quick is obviously a steal. For a rookie guard to be able to change the pace of the game is very special.

Obi is still getting his legs, but I’m worried about him. He is really awkward, doesn’t have any real moves and is a tweener. He can finish when he’s set up, but doesn’t appear to have the skills to get by people and his strength is very overrated. It’s very early, but we always seem to **** up lottery picks.

Halliburton is going to be a starter and a difference maker for the next decade, that was the pick. He can shoot, handle, defend and more importantly play with anyone. Second time in three years we had a sure fire starter and took a swing.

Having Bridges and Halliburton next to RJ would have been championship defense in the making. He could have been really special playing with Quick as well. Hopefully Obi continues to work, but at 22 he should be able to come in and really contribute.

60 players are drafted each year. We are lucky to get two. The odds are the other 58 will have some in a young season with less than 20 games played have players that are projecting. The mornin after we all about Halliburton regret? Yes he looked good. He plays on a team with Fox who is a real talent. Heild as well. Those guys are both better than anyone we have in the back court.
Sac has ****ed up big time but might have gotten lucky with Halliburton. Good for them. Personally I like what Thibs is doing with obi. FIrst off he missed 10 games or so and with just 2 weeks after he was drafted (Don’t blow out the ACL before your drafted!!) he comes to camp and fist game pops a calf. So lets see how the next 50 games go. What will he become? Not sure. I have to admit the Randle iso thing is working but its still not fun to watch at times. If it took him until age 26 to figure out his passing Let’s give Obi a few more weeks?
Not saying we are the luckiest team this year. Our FO thought Obi could be special.
I was impressed with Haliburtan also but if he started for us with our one up I’m not sure the same result would occur as Sac plays a more uptempo game.

GustavBahler wrote:Quickley made the NBA rookie ladder. Posted 2 days ago. Tonights game not included.

6. Immanuel Quickley, New York Knicks

Season stats: 10.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.5 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.1 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: N/A

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-jan-27-2021-edition?amp=1

He should be moving up Quickley with his latest performance.

GustavBahler wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Quickley made the NBA rookie ladder. Posted 2 days ago. Tonights game not included.

6. Immanuel Quickley, New York Knicks

Season stats: 10.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.5 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.1 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: N/A

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-jan-27-2021-edition?amp=1

He should be moving up Quickley with his latest performance.

Its his B-ball IQ.