His defense at least seems to be improving and he has better rebounding numbers. He seems like a leader. He is a keeper.

I am buying. The RJB shares will rise high long term.

franco12 wrote:no one on this thread has mentioned him, but I see Dwayne Wade as a comparison to RJ. Not an amazing outside shooter, clutch with the will to win. Get's fouled. Drives to the hoop.

He's 20. So in two years, we can start to compare them.

But - I also feel the jury is still out on him.

Is he a franchise talent?

I don't think so- because franchise talents show it at this age - see Lebron, Luka and just about any other top talents you want to include.

Can he be a very good player? Absolutely. But to answer Fishmike's the Tank is over, we are missing the thing you need from a tank - a franchise talent.

D.Wade is a good comparison..I think thats RJs floor.
Sometimes RJs determination to be a franchise player and his drive to be an impactful player can get ahead of his talent. That comes with time. Right now, I love how he has everything you want in a franchise player. I've seen players with more skills, but lacking that 4th quarter take over in crunch time. RJ has that. The question is will his skill set catchup to his drive and determination to be great. I've been an RJ fan since Duke. Everybody was on zion. But I was like. If coach K trust RJ with the ball in critical moments of the game, then RJ is someone with the same potential as zion, becasue he has pt forward skills and he's not afraid of the moment.

Martin, I think BRIGGS hijacked your account. 😉

Example A: Jason Kidd

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:no one on this thread has mentioned him, but I see Dwayne Wade as a comparison to RJ. Not an amazing outside shooter, clutch with the will to win. Get's fouled. Drives to the hoop.

He's 20. So in two years, we can start to compare them.

But - I also feel the jury is still out on him.

Is he a franchise talent?

I don't think so- because franchise talents show it at this age - see Lebron, Luka and just about any other top talents you want to include.

Can he be a very good player? Absolutely. But to answer Fishmike's the Tank is over, we are missing the thing you need from a tank - a franchise talent.

D.Wade is a good comparison..I think thats RJs floor.
Sometimes RJs determination to be a franchise player and his drive to be an impactful player can get ahead of his talent. That comes with time. Right now, I love how he has everything you want in a franchise player. I've seen players with more skills, but lacking that 4th quarter take over in crunch time. RJ has that. The question is will his skill set catchup to his drive and determination to be great. I've been an RJ fan since Duke. Everybody was on zion. But I was like. If coach K trust RJ with the ball in critical moments of the game, then RJ is someone with the same potential as zion, becasue he has pt forward skills and he's not afraid of the moment.

Martin, I think BRIGGS hijacked your account. 😉

You think Hall of Famer — Dwayne Wade is RJ’s floor? I assume you meant ceiling. I thought I’ve been kind comparing him to TMac. This team isn’t really constructed for Barrett’s benefit and he is still doing pretty well in his second year. I’d be a bit more inclined to run Barrett without Randle (split them up) since I think they both are better off with the ball coming through them in the post. I trust the coaching already, so am happy to see it play out regardless of my impressions.

EwingsGlass wrote:

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:no one on this thread has mentioned him, but I see Dwayne Wade as a comparison to RJ. Not an amazing outside shooter, clutch with the will to win. Get's fouled. Drives to the hoop.

He's 20. So in two years, we can start to compare them.

But - I also feel the jury is still out on him.

Is he a franchise talent?

I don't think so- because franchise talents show it at this age - see Lebron, Luka and just about any other top talents you want to include.

Can he be a very good player? Absolutely. But to answer Fishmike's the Tank is over, we are missing the thing you need from a tank - a franchise talent.

D.Wade is a good comparison..I think thats RJs floor.
Sometimes RJs determination to be a franchise player and his drive to be an impactful player can get ahead of his talent. That comes with time. Right now, I love how he has everything you want in a franchise player. I've seen players with more skills, but lacking that 4th quarter take over in crunch time. RJ has that. The question is will his skill set catchup to his drive and determination to be great. I've been an RJ fan since Duke. Everybody was on zion. But I was like. If coach K trust RJ with the ball in critical moments of the game, then RJ is someone with the same potential as zion, becasue he has pt forward skills and he's not afraid of the moment.

Martin, I think BRIGGS hijacked your account. 😉

You think Hall of Famer — Dwayne Wade is RJ’s floor? I assume you meant ceiling. I thought I’ve been kind comparing him to TMac. This team isn’t really constructed for Barrett’s benefit and he is still doing pretty well in his second year. I’d be a bit more inclined to run Barrett without Randle (split them up) since I think they both are better off with the ball coming through them in the post. I trust the coaching already, so am happy to see it play out regardless of my impressions.

I'm not comparing HOF wade to RJ. Im comparing 64 games into his nba career compared to RJ. But for the most part, both was not good 3pt shooter. But Wade was able to have a solid career. Thats all im saying. Yall trying to find an exact comparison, is part of the problem.

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:no one on this thread has mentioned him, but I see Dwayne Wade as a comparison to RJ. Not an amazing outside shooter, clutch with the will to win. Get's fouled. Drives to the hoop.

He's 20. So in two years, we can start to compare them.

But - I also feel the jury is still out on him.

Is he a franchise talent?

I don't think so- because franchise talents show it at this age - see Lebron, Luka and just about any other top talents you want to include.

Can he be a very good player? Absolutely. But to answer Fishmike's the Tank is over, we are missing the thing you need from a tank - a franchise talent.

D.Wade is a good comparison..I think thats RJs floor.
Sometimes RJs determination to be a franchise player and his drive to be an impactful player can get ahead of his talent. That comes with time. Right now, I love how he has everything you want in a franchise player. I've seen players with more skills, but lacking that 4th quarter take over in crunch time. RJ has that. The question is will his skill set catchup to his drive and determination to be great. I've been an RJ fan since Duke. Everybody was on zion. But I was like. If coach K trust RJ with the ball in critical moments of the game, then RJ is someone with the same potential as zion, becasue he has pt forward skills and he's not afraid of the moment.

Martin, I think BRIGGS hijacked your account. 😉

You think Hall of Famer — Dwayne Wade is RJ’s floor? I assume you meant ceiling. I thought I’ve been kind comparing him to TMac. This team isn’t really constructed for Barrett’s benefit and he is still doing pretty well in his second year. I’d be a bit more inclined to run Barrett without Randle (split them up) since I think they both are better off with the ball coming through them in the post. I trust the coaching already, so am happy to see it play out regardless of my impressions.

I'm not comparing HOF wade to RJ. Im comparing 64 games into his nba career compared to RJ. But for the most part, both was not good 3pt shooter. But Wade was able to have a solid career. Thats all im saying. Yall trying to find an exact comparison, is part of the problem.

Why didn't you just say that then? And all you noted was exactly 1 aspect of comparison: Both were not distance shooters.

Outside of maybe both of them being good rebounders, why choose Wade? Completely different players IMHO

NYKBocker wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I have made this comparison before but I really see Pippen in RJ. Pippen was not the greatest perimeter shooter in the beginning of his career but he worked on it. Like Pippen, RJ is a slasher and can jump. RJ is also a very good defensive rebounder. Yes, Pippen was smooth but I think that is the only difference. I think RJ has the better mental makeup. Their shot is very comparable too. Pippen had a very mechanical shot.

Yup. I hate Pippen but I can see his game and skills in RJ

Pippen improved his shot by relying on the backboard/bank shots. It's technique that is lost for the most part mainly because most players aren't shooting as many mid range jumpers anymore. Would love for RJ to take less 3's and focus on the midrange....Also, look to the use the backboard, more. Pippen was a more fluid player with and without the ball than RJ is...

I agree. I think RJ should only take 3s when wide open and limit it to around 2-3 open 3s per game. Eyeball test, he looks very accurate mid range.

My eyeball test sees Frank level shooting, but with confidence

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:no one on this thread has mentioned him, but I see Dwayne Wade as a comparison to RJ. Not an amazing outside shooter, clutch with the will to win. Get's fouled. Drives to the hoop.

He's 20. So in two years, we can start to compare them.

But - I also feel the jury is still out on him.

Is he a franchise talent?

I don't think so- because franchise talents show it at this age - see Lebron, Luka and just about any other top talents you want to include.

Can he be a very good player? Absolutely. But to answer Fishmike's the Tank is over, we are missing the thing you need from a tank - a franchise talent.

D.Wade is a good comparison..I think thats RJs floor.
Sometimes RJs determination to be a franchise player and his drive to be an impactful player can get ahead of his talent. That comes with time. Right now, I love how he has everything you want in a franchise player. I've seen players with more skills, but lacking that 4th quarter take over in crunch time. RJ has that. The question is will his skill set catchup to his drive and determination to be great. I've been an RJ fan since Duke. Everybody was on zion. But I was like. If coach K trust RJ with the ball in critical moments of the game, then RJ is someone with the same potential as zion, becasue he has pt forward skills and he's not afraid of the moment.

Martin, I think BRIGGS hijacked your account. 😉

You think Hall of Famer — Dwayne Wade is RJ’s floor? I assume you meant ceiling. I thought I’ve been kind comparing him to TMac. This team isn’t really constructed for Barrett’s benefit and he is still doing pretty well in his second year. I’d be a bit more inclined to run Barrett without Randle (split them up) since I think they both are better off with the ball coming through them in the post. I trust the coaching already, so am happy to see it play out regardless of my impressions.

I'm not comparing HOF wade to RJ. Im comparing 64 games into his nba career compared to RJ. But for the most part, both was not good 3pt shooter. But Wade was able to have a solid career. Thats all im saying. Yall trying to find an exact comparison, is part of the problem.

Why didn't you just say that then? And all you noted was exactly 1 aspect of comparison: Both were not distance shooters.

Outside of maybe both of them being good rebounders, why choose Wade? Completely different players IMHO

Martin. Check the history. I didnt CHOOSE wade...I simply agreed with franc.

As far as how you see Wade and my view of Wade is probably different...which is fine. Im not as high on him as you are. So when I think of Wade, I usually think of his heart, his energy, his on the floor leadership, his lack of a 3pt game, but still reached star status. Those similarities first came to me when franco mentioned it.

But nobody will be exactly like RJ....big, strong, and agile lefty...but his heart to me is his biggest asset. He's not afraid of the moment. Taking the winning shot. He improves on his weaknesses and wants to be great. I can't ask for any more than that. Sometimes we allow the position these guys are picked in the draft. To blind us from how he's still an impactful player with slashing, shooting and defending potential for a 20 yr old.

Rivers to Starks is my comparison

Uptown wrote:RJ 7-21 from the field....

Well....lets see how thibs handles RJs minutes moving forward, especially when Burks 🤔 returns. Not only his shooting, but his defense was slacking also. He still played hard, but didn't look sharp on both ends. Burks is 1 of the few consistent guards on the team, with a reliable jumper....and he can penetrate the paint, plus play defense. So let's see if thibs is a smart coach and recognize this shift he needs to make, if RJ and Randle continue to show fatigue. Both looked tired or burned out that first half.