Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Why are you so fast to trade him? He probably likes it here! Maybe we could figure out a way sign a team friendly contract? You never know

Giannis is going to want out of Milwaukee and we have assets

I’m not saying trade Randle for nothing. I actually think we may have a semi-realistic shot at getting the league’s best player

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Contract

got someone else in mind?

Trade for Giannis

You mean a dude thats being paid a quarter of a billion dollars, and takes up damn near half your cap space..

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

WE can’t just be happy this proved to be an excellent signing?
Celebrate Thibs fine tuned this guy?
IM not saying find Mills no bring him back or anything, but why we so darn weird about success.
Again, I offer if you take Randle and his production and put him in to the Trade for KP at this moment given KP’s history and lack of production, that god awful trade that featured Dennis does not look so bad. We used the cap space to sign Randle.
Remember we said it would take a few years to work itself out? We have Dallas pick. I don’t think its going to be lottery despite our worst thoughts for them but it allows us to make a pick, or even take a chance on a player BECAUSE we have muliple picks!

Randle is not the savior we crave. KP would not have saved us last season either.
Nalod not going to “Told you so” because this team has a long way to go but rather than set yourself on fire with self inflicted misery as some do, why not just chill and enjoy what good become of this team.
yes, this franchise has sucked and Phil and MIlls did some stupid things but they also did some good or did not burn it down. Mills might have tried but he was canned before he could. Thats ok too.

Randle is fulfilling his draft status. He fell victim to franchises that were building cap space and he benefited to land with a team that could utilize his talents. This is a good story. I think we all have doubts or not prepared to have though of him as a cornerstone piece to build with in the new era of Leon. I’m guessing Kenny Payne had him in Kentucky and perhaps this is a nice story if him adding value to Randles career.
Randle is a beast. He is 26. Maybe we should feel better about this.

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

Randle at 26 could be a cornerstone guy for the next 5+ years. He's playing like a building block guy. 2 way player who is multidimensional. This is what we want.

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

Trade him for what? Ideally we get guys who are ascending. IF that's the case here, you extend him now. You pay the guys who are ascending (contrast that to our typical MO where we a guy is descending and we pay him as if he will revert back to his former glory days)

BRIGGS wrote:WTF would we want to trade Randle? Right now we lucked into Randle---now keep him happy.

The question is if Randle is just got or if he's finally there. If he's finally ascended then we're in a good situation talent wise, but the question of his market value remains. Do we extend him more years? Maybe he decides to play the market? If Obi shows good improvement, maybe we flip him and keep Randle. If this is just a mirage, we risk not trading Randle if his value is at his highest.