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StarksEwing1
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12/30/2020  4:06 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

The knicks did the right thing by avoiding CP and Westbrook. Both are older, injury prone, and have bloated contracts. Knicks are doing it the right way by building through the draft and bringing in FA around the young core
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12/30/2020  4:40 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

The knicks did the right thing by avoiding CP and Westbrook. Both are older, injury prone, and have bloated contracts. Knicks are doing it the right way by building through the draft and bringing in FA around the young core
CP would have been great but doubt the cost would have been worth it. CP replacing Elf as the starter? Guys playing defense like this with CP3 running the offense? People would be losing their minds.
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12/30/2020  6:05 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

The knicks did the right thing by avoiding CP and Westbrook. Both are older, injury prone, and have bloated contracts. Knicks are doing it the right way by building through the draft and bringing in FA around the young core

Westbook no..Cp Yes, because he is a mentor and he is well respected by everyone, and it wasn't so much of what he did on the court but off it as well, in practice, in meetings, watching film

cap space obviously means nothing in NY right now, so a contract for a yr and half is nothing

Clearly injuries have no age limit as our rookies have basically proven that.

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12/30/2020  7:54 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

The knicks did the right thing by avoiding CP and Westbrook. Both are older, injury prone, and have bloated contracts. Knicks are doing it the right way by building through the draft and bringing in FA around the young core

Westbook no..Cp Yes, because he is a mentor and he is well respected by everyone, and it wasn't so much of what he did on the court but off it as well, in practice, in meetings, watching film

cap space obviously means nothing in NY right now, so a contract for a yr and half is nothing

Clearly injuries have no age limit as our rookies have basically proven that.

. Agree to disagree
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12/30/2020  8:52 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Can't say enough about how much coaching has been the #1 difference this season..

No more random rotations, no more 11/12 man roationsa, an Identity is being build, a system is being formed, guys are adjusting to their roles, we looked more prepared, the spacing and cutting is night and Day from last season and the effort on defense is 20x better.

But im going to give FIZ and Mills a little credit, because this is what they envision when they signed Randle, Reggie and Peyton.

Fizdale just Botched the plan, and Miller botched the rotations playing 11/12 guys

Are you going to give Perry/Rose any credit too? Not only hiring Thibs but building a young core and having a lot of future assets and flexibility. Knicks are doing the smart things for a change

LEON hired most of his friends and X clients, they just happen to be pretty good at their jobs.

Seeing that almost everyone is associated with the Kentucky, don't think Perry had much say in that dept, but I'm still a little pissed we didn't go hard for CP3, we would HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH BETTER.

I STILL think a big trade is coming in the near future.

The knicks did the right thing by avoiding CP and Westbrook. Both are older, injury prone, and have bloated contracts. Knicks are doing it the right way by building through the draft and bringing in FA around the young core

Westbook no..Cp Yes, because he is a mentor and he is well respected by everyone, and it wasn't so much of what he did on the court but off it as well, in practice, in meetings, watching film

cap space obviously means nothing in NY right now, so a contract for a yr and half is nothing

Clearly injuries have no age limit as our rookies have basically proven that.

. Agree to disagree

This is a dead point since CP said he wasn't down for a trade to the Knicks because of the attendance situation. As for Westbrook, the Wizards are in a worse position than us right now.

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12/30/2020  9:54 PM
Kentucky guys? Payne, and who else?
Wes? Thibs? Aller? Woodson? The other 100 Assistants and scouts?

Got some UK players, but seems if anything Leons Philly roots CAA roots are more prevalent.
We 2-2 with 68 more games to go and already we high fiving it?

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12/31/2020  11:01 AM
I like Thibs so far because of his substitution process. Too many coaches go into a game with a preset sub pattern and number of minutes to give no matter what the situation is. Thibs seems to go by feel of the game and play who hot and bench who's not and is not worried about pre-planned minutes or patterns.
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1/2/2021  9:53 PM
How does it feel to have a real NBA coach, Knicks fans?
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1/2/2021  10:11 PM
If you dont think that Thibs fighting along the sidelines for calls,showing his players he supports them,making subs that make sense to a player,and all the other things that a GOOD coach should do( not like the dumb faces fizdale made along the sidelines} then you never played this sport or any other sport when you as a player know you have a good coach and coaching backing you up and watching your back
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1/2/2021  10:20 PM
ccch wrote:I like Thibs so far because of his substitution process. Too many coaches go into a game with a preset sub pattern and number of minutes to give no matter what the situation is. Thibs seems to go by feel of the game and play who hot and bench who's not and is not worried about pre-planned minutes or patterns.

agree

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1/3/2021  7:34 AM
Another win vs. pacers won by the intensity of Thibs.
he takes players out because he sees things we don’t.
His coaches see tendencies we don’t. Players run out of gas and he takes them out before momentum is lost.
Its not that Fiz could have been awful, but Thibs is this good. Let’s not take this talent for granted.
It also comes at at price. Thibs is like the awful teacher who pushes too far. You appreciate him after you graduate but hate him during the semester. HE burns himself and players out. Let’s hope he learns to dial this back because its not a free agent type attraction.
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1/3/2021  9:57 AM
Nalod wrote:Another win vs. pacers won by the intensity of Thibs.
he takes players out because he sees things we don’t.
His coaches see tendencies we don’t. Players run out of gas and he takes them out before momentum is lost.
Its not that Fiz could have been awful, but Thibs is this good. Let’s not take this talent for granted.
It also comes at at price. Thibs is like the awful teacher who pushes too far. You appreciate him after you graduate but hate him during the semester. HE burns himself and players out. Let’s hope he learns to dial this back because its not a free agent type attraction.

Agree... And sometimes just to add.....Its not about how bad Fitz was. Maybe its how good thibs is. His timeouts are ON POINT. Subs have been great. But its those in game adjustments thats makes him and this coaching staff stand out. Its thibs perception of being a tough coach, and rewarding players with mins when they put the effort in on defense. Right now things are clicking well. And im not talking wins and losses. But how we win and lose is more important during a development phase.

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1/3/2021  10:23 AM
I do like the extra juice Thibs is able to squeeze out of this team. Im just worried with the heavy minutes given to Randle, Mitch, Payton and RJ the injury bug is following close behind. Specially this season where the preseason and training camp was considerably shortened.

I am hoping Thibs can maintain a 10 man rotation and use 2 more players or so on back to backs to take some pressure off the main guys.

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1/3/2021  10:38 AM
I like that he took Knox out after the airball. what ever the reason it reminds me of Larry Brown. Your a pro, play and act like one. There will be other games and opportunities but today the game at hand is to win.
RJ bounced back. Because it was a new day. Knox will have that.
When Obi returns Randle can reduce his min a bit. Spellman is not getting minutes I suppose.
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1/3/2021  10:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/3/2021  10:56 AM
KnickDanger wrote:How does it feel to have a real NBA coach, Knicks fans?

Great...Just wish Woodson wasn't on staff. Can he undermine Thibs because he misses being the boss?

So far I love the Thibs coaching style and hope he will be here for a long time, but I've always had a little concern about having Woodson on the staff. Can't understand why he was hired when he had his chance and did not do well.

Just concerned if deep down inside, privately, he would have some sour grape and undermine Thibs or not put in his best effort and advice just to show it wasn't him.

I keep looking for signs of a Freudian slip, but haven't seen enough comments or interviews to verify.

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1/3/2021  11:11 AM
Nalod wrote:I like that he took Knox out after the airball. what ever the reason it reminds me of Larry Brown. Your a pro, play and act like one. There will be other games and opportunities but today the game at hand is to win.
RJ bounced back. Because it was a new day. Knox will have that.
When Obi returns Randle can reduce his min a bit. Spellman is not getting minutes I suppose.

Knox is showing he is still very much an undisciplined kid. Some of his TO's have been the WTF kind

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1/3/2021  11:15 AM
ccch wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:How does it feel to have a real NBA coach, Knicks fans?

Great...Just wish Woodson wasn't on staff. Can he undermine Thibs because he misses being the boss?

So far I love the Thibs coaching style and hope he will be here for a long time, but I've always had a little concern about having Woodson on the staff. Can't understand why he was hired when he had his chance and did not do well.

Just concerned if deep down inside, privately, he would have some sour grape and undermine Thibs or not put in his best effort and advice just to show it wasn't him.

I keep looking for signs of a Freudian slip, but haven't seen enough comments or interviews to verify.

Do you feel Doc Rivers was "threatened" the past 4 years in LAC? Not sure where these types of thoughts come up from

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1/3/2021  12:45 PM
Nalod wrote:I like that he took Knox out after the airball. what ever the reason it reminds me of Larry Brown. Your a pro, play and act like one. There will be other games and opportunities but today the game at hand is to win.
RJ bounced back. Because it was a new day. Knox will have that.
When Obi returns Randle can reduce his min a bit. Spellman is not getting minutes I suppose.

Needs to be consistent though...its good to take Knox out of the game when he's struggling. but you can't allow some of thr starters to throw up bricks and aiballs and not pull them either...

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1/3/2021  1:03 PM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:I like that he took Knox out after the airball. what ever the reason it reminds me of Larry Brown. Your a pro, play and act like one. There will be other games and opportunities but today the game at hand is to win.
RJ bounced back. Because it was a new day. Knox will have that.
When Obi returns Randle can reduce his min a bit. Spellman is not getting minutes I suppose.

Needs to be consistent though...its good to take Knox out of the game when he's struggling. but you can't allow some of thr starters to throw up bricks and aiballs and not pull them either...

I think you likely see 9-10 guys a night as there is some talent level redundancy and he's def got a handful of lean on guys. I think Bullock has the shortest least as he's so feast/famine with the shooting BUT he's always challenging the jumper and does a lot of other things. He and RJ have been a combo defensively on the wing. They both really get after it and seem to relish the physical play and they both take out bad shooting nights on their defensive assignments.

I think Noel is cruising to being out of the rotation and Obi will get those minutes coming back.

In any case the whole squad looks super prepared. We are streaky as phuck shooting the ball but getting back Obi/IQ/Rivers/Burks should really help with that.

I have no problem riding the vets with the young guys having to earn minutes over the season WHEN you are in every game and defending like we do. Right now Mitch/RJ/IQ are glued in the rotation and looking better all the time, Randle's been amazing against quality opponents and he's 26 and the cheap role players we brought in and brought back in Elf/Bullock/Rivers/Burks are shaping into a nice supporting group that Thibs can really lean on.

Whats good coaching? 3-3 vs Tor/Cle/Mil/Phi/Indx2 and knowing we can play better, and we are still getting healthy. All these guys look like their value has gone up nicely. Seeing the team identity quickly shape up and our roster and our 5 FRPs in the next 3 years I feel REALLY good about the direction of things

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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1/3/2021  6:53 PM
I’d guess that Barrett and Randle are playing a bit more minutes than they will when Burks and Toppin return, respectively. Felt like Payton was ready to get Wally Pipped before Quickley got injured

My depth chart:

Payton 24/Quickley 20/Rivers 14/Smith
Barrett 32/Burks 20/Ntlikina
Bullock 22/Knox 12/ Brazdeikus
Randle 30 /Toppin 18
Robinson 28/Noel 20/Spellman

Those minutes get shifted around based on health, hot hands and foul trouble. With Quickley and Rivers joint the rotation, I wonder if Payton’s minutes will decrease more.

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