fitzfarm wrote:
I hate to tell you this man but quick can shoot with the best of them, just because he on one game missed shots doesn’t mean he’s not a shooter. The kid is a 40+ % 3 point shooter and I’m sure with more court time would show that... the more minutes he gets the better he will get.

Now Payton is 0 for from three this preseason and is known for not being able to hit shots outside of layups. Teams can basically play off of him and therefore crowding the middle and lanes making it hard for everyone else to get easy shots. Hence the extremely slow starts to each half.

What has Payton done in his career to justify starting when he’s never been on a winning team ?

In today’s nba your pg needs to be a threat to score from all over esp the 3 point shot and quick is the only pg that can do that on the roster and it creates open shots for everyone and makes the game easier.

Good post

Does he ride the hand with the most chemistry and give them a shot as starters?
Their 4th quarter line up basically orchestrated a 20+ point turnaround with their college-like energy. Quickley looked like a PG out there - and even if he isn't, he'd probably do well in a lineup that features plus passers at their positions in RJ + Obi (heck, all offensive lineups would function better with those 2).

fitzfarm wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The last team played with a sense of urgency executed plays and finished off the game. I know they didn’t play against LBJ but I’m all in on going young and I think what Vmart said is true— keeping the same players together. Move Julius to 6 th man commmit to Knox Quickley and Robinson and let it go for ten games

Your not starting quickly because he had a solid preseason game against a team projected to be the worst in the league.

And your not just playing kids in the NBA for the sake of PT because fans want to see them play...That,s something the "Sac Kings" would do

Thank god we don't have a coach like Fiz that just throws sht on the wall to see if sticks every time a player has a good game

I think our best bench squad would be

Quickly
Rivers
Bullock/knox
Obi
Mitch

Nope I’m convinced this is the right avenue

I don’t want to keep any young player down or hidden for the sake of playing a third tier vet.
This gives the team the ability to create chemistry
We made incredible investment — 3 top 10 picks

There comes a time to let it play out and accept some pluses and minus.

Dennis Smith sucks on offense and el Payton can’t shoot. Q is the starter

We have been patient w Knox — we have to push him now— from the starting 3.
No more Noel vs Robinson. Robinson is our guy Noel back up

Toppin top 5 pick— start

Julius can play 6 th man Hopefully from there we can increase his value abs look for nice deal at deadline

What your suggesting is that the FO, Coaching staff panic and change their plan after 3 pre season games? Go back on their FA signings and play the kids that have shown little in 2 or 3 years? Again, after 3 pre season games. One which was mostly against a third string squad. Is that what you think a professional team does?

Btw. What did Quicks shoot last night? Since you want a shooter.

What plan? We suck? The kids earned the spots last night

Since you did not answer...Quick shot 17% from three. Earned it? Get shooters in?
Plan is for vets that have proven they are decent NBA players for more than just 1 pre season game.
Payton. Best PG last year, young and proven capable player. Not great.
Rivers. Good player with several years of playoff experience.
RJ. Long term piece that showed potential last year.
Randle. Our best player who averaged close to double double and is still young.
Noel. Solid defensive player who has experience and won't foul out within 20 minutes.

MR. Young athletic freak with lots of potential. But can't shoot or stay on court.
Burks. Good offensive player with experience.
Bullock. Vet that has decent 3pt numbers.
Knox. Third year draft pick that has shown signs but on make or break year.
Frank. Solid defender at a couple of positions. But on make or break year.
Smith. Athletic lottery pick coming off tough year who needs to show something or get dealt.
Quick. Youngster with ability who is long term project.
Topping. Youngster with ability who is a long term project.

I hate to tell you this man but quick can shoot with the best of them, just because he on one game missed shots doesn’t mean he’s not a shooter. The kid is a 40+ % 3 point shooter and I’m sure with more court time would show that... the more minutes he gets the better he will get.

Now Payton is 0 for from three this preseason and is known for not being able to hit shots outside of layups. Teams can basically play off of him and therefore crowding the middle and lanes making it hard for everyone else to get easy shots. Hence the extremely slow starts to each half.

What has Payton done in his career to justify starting when he’s never been on a winning team ?

In today’s nba your pg needs to be a threat to score from all over esp the 3 point shot and quick is the only pg that can do that on the roster and it creates open shots for everyone and makes the game easier.

40% shooter in college distance does not make a 40% shooter in the pros. A three in college is a medium range jumper in the pros. But okay, I hope your right and I do believe the kid can shoot. He also seems like he has the mindset to make it here. But thats a long way from Thibs doing some homer armchair fan stuff and benching his starting PG because some fans thought a rookie looked good in his second pre season game?

As for Payton. He averaged 10 pts a game and 7.4 assists as a starter. Better winning percentage (39%) than Frank (27) as a starter. So he may not be much but he is our best PG.

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Briggs. Question. Bullock, Burks, Rivers have shown for several years to be PRO players that are good players. We just signed two of them. Do you think it is a good move to get them going and give them a shot to get back into playing form after being out for over 9 months? Considering they are the guys you just signed to improve the team? Or should we scrap that after 2 pre games?

No. Play the youth— not because they’re young— because it’s the first time in years I saw good inspired basketball. I do not care if q shot 3-11. His play showed up in the +- as plus 19. Reward good play — our guys played well the vets were bad. Reward good play

The answer is absolutely. Thibs will start the vets and play the vets as it gives him the best chance to win. He therefore will want to get them going. He is not going to count on inconsistent and rookie fan dreams. Those kids will get their chance to crack the rotation. But they need to show it consistently in practice and in the opportunities they get in games.

As for "Good inspired basketball" that's all the high moments we have had in the last 20 years. Would be nice to actually win games too The idea of making kids starters based on there performance against third stringers is as knee jerk as you get.

As for Quick, I mentioned he shot 17% because you said kids earned their spots. Guess the criteria is +/-

Dupe wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:
I hate to tell you this man but quick can shoot with the best of them, just because he on one game missed shots doesn’t mean he’s not a shooter. The kid is a 40+ % 3 point shooter and I’m sure with more court time would show that... the more minutes he gets the better he will get.

Now Payton is 0 for from three this preseason and is known for not being able to hit shots outside of layups. Teams can basically play off of him and therefore crowding the middle and lanes making it hard for everyone else to get easy shots. Hence the extremely slow starts to each half.

What has Payton done in his career to justify starting when he’s never been on a winning team ?

In today’s nba your pg needs to be a threat to score from all over esp the 3 point shot and quick is the only pg that can do that on the roster and it creates open shots for everyone and makes the game easier.

Good post

Agreed. I always figured a team can survive with a PG like Payton, but not this team. We need guys that can shoot. Quickley doesn't have to be a pure PG, as long as he can shoot and keep the offense moving, which is appears he can. We are just so limited with Payton out there.

BRIGGS wrote:I think n pro sports u put your best line up in there.

We’ve seen 3 pre season games

The only line up that played inspired basketball was the end unit game 3.

The pg play by Payton and smith has been bad.

Mitch Robinson earned starters minutes 13-10-4

Knox showed the most talent of bullock and burcs

Toppin can play within a system not over handle

It was a good team unit — we haven’t seen that

I agree with you, but the reality is they will keep that unit together....due to youth a d chemistry. Vets will start...regular season.

technomaster wrote:One thing I think everyone loved about the last game was how everyone was moving and reacting on offense. And that was largely because Quickley was attacking - and well, there's no pro scouting report on him yet. He's skilled and confident enough to dribble in and back his way out if he doesn't see anything. I don't know if you "blame" it on the coach, Randle, or Payton... but when all else fails, play conservative, get the ball in the post, and let the big man go to work.

I think Quickley will get an extended look - he may have overtaken DSJ and perhaps Frank on the minutes chart... and probably will get minutes at SG with RJ shifting to SF. I do wonder if he'll struggle *this season* from 3pt range. Opposing teams may respect him too much based on his 92% FT and stay home on him from 3pt range. He just seems much more active WITH and WITHOUT the ball than those two.

As far as who will be in the rotation come the regular season, I see these 10 players:

Noel/Mitch
Randle/Obi
RJ/Knox
Burks/Frank
Payton/Quickley

Burks is a stabilizing presence with the starting lineup and gives them decent size and shooting. He MAY just be a 15-25/mpg player on this team - he's ultimately set up as trade bait and be the "pro's pro" on a young team, being a good influence, mentor the young guys. If the young guys are doing well, they'll take his minutes.

Noel is basically interchangeable with Robinson - he's a little better in some areas, has less impact in others... but you'll get solid output from either.

Unfortunately, I don't see Iggy cracking this rotation. He'd probably have at least as much impact as Bullock (I'd venture to say more on offense, probably less on D.). Alas, his best position is probably SF, but he's blocked there by a number of other young players that need PT.

You forgot Rivers, who Thibs apparently loves and will rely on as a vet. No way Frank sees the court over him. Rivers is locked in as a rotation guard no matter what.

Philc1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Toppin
F Knox
G Barrett
G Quickley

Earned by execution and assertive play on both ends

Agree. That’s the lineup I would go with to start the season on 12/24

That line up would get Thibs fired, and put Leon on the hot seat.

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Toppin
F Knox
G Barrett
G Quickley

Earned by execution and assertive play on both ends

Agree. That’s the lineup I would go with to start the season on 12/24

You can't be serious

That line up would get Thibs fired, and put Leon on the hot seat.

And starting Elf and Randle is getting us Ws?