BigDaddyG wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Sorry fellas. This is pure homerville. Just goes to show how bad the Knicks have become. The board is filled with unrealistic hope. Reminds me of Jet fans. Fact of the matter is that this kid should not have gone in the first round. Everyone here is also ignoring the fact Quickley has been seen by coaching staff EVERY day in practice. They know what he can do. This reminds me of every other Baker, Jimmer, Willy etc etc bull****. How bout we give him some time to develop. There is no rush with Obi and Quickley. They are on rookie contracts and will be here for a while. So there is no urgency. Fact is the Knicks are doing the right thing. They need to invest time in Dennis, Knox and Frank. All who are on the brink of getting the boot. And that is not 2 pre season games. It is the only way to improve their value if the FO feels they are not part of the future. Or if they do not improve, cut ties with no regrets. Think that's the plan. Use the beginning of the year to evaluate what moves should be made by trade deadline or in the . We can start the "We Want Baker" chants at the end of the year when the young ones are doing most of the playing.

Fact is that we did not get a point in lower part of first (IQ) and in the second(traded)....why because of what you just mentioned about DSJ and Frank....also Thibs will probably ice skating in hell freezing over before he trots out a rookie pt....but then we have what happened on Sunday....us looking disorganized on offense, DSJ/Frank not doing much, and then you see other pts cooking Theo in OKC ...Flynn in Tor...Wall looks good..you know Russ is going get after it...and we are looking at Julius still brining up the ball spinning in traffic...

ALSO...you need to have a solid pt to maximize Obi skill set...I feel dejavu from the first Donny draft when pts were all over the board and we went with Hill...Donny f@caked up by not trading back into the first to pick up a pt....

Obi is not Hill...not saying that but we needed a pt.... that is what the draft had....did not get Lamelo...Kira...Hali....or the others....did they believe DSJ was going to turn the corner...

Rose has to recognize this and rectify....we need a pt to facilitate the game....And use the battering ram Julius properly...

Again with all this being said...this was just the second game and they looked decent game 1....also Thibs is not Fiz...so hopefully he ca n turn this chicken sh@t into chicken salad..

It's possible they looked at this year's crop of PGs and decided to pass. I probably would've gone Malachi Flynn over IQ, but you can't argue too much with the pick. IQ was one of the best shooters and defenders from the guard position. Did we overreach? Maybe a little, but if impressed the staff that much, than I can live with it. As for Obi, I think he won't have a problem getting his own shot. I just hope he makes them.

squiggy may end up being a better team fit. might be in the BJ armstrong mold, where he's not expected to do much on offensive playmaking -- that's MJ. But if he gets an open look he hits the shot. not bad for a late first.

BRIGGS wrote:New starting pg. way better than the others

Agreed. He gives us just enough playmaking and plays smart. The threat of shooting and defensive presence makes up for not being a true PG.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:New starting pg. way better than the others

played exactly 24 min..Did you call Thibs earlier

You guys should get a room.......

Did you notice how the first two times the refs refused to call in the act of shooting for Quickley? And he just kept bring aggressive getting his call and the trip to the line on the 3rd try? This kid played PG his whole life. Only Calipari had him mostly shoot, but don't sleep on his passing!

Clean wrote:I have to admit watching him run the team at PG was the most excited I have been about the Knicks in a while. We have needed a good PG for a long time and the team looked good with him running the show.

He can shoot, he can dribble, he has good court vision

Start him and Frank in the backcourt. I’d even consider waiving Payton

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:I have to admit watching him run the team at PG was the most excited I have been about the Knicks in a while. We have needed a good PG for a long time and the team looked good with him running the show.

He can shoot, he can dribble, he has good court vision

Start him and Frank in the backcourt. I’d even consider waiving Payton

I know everyone loves Frank but he’s not a starting caliber player. Burks is and if you have a backcourt of quickley and Burks you have enough shooting and maybe enough playmaking too. Starting Frank doesn’t address the biggest needs of this team.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:I have to admit watching him run the team at PG was the most excited I have been about the Knicks in a while. We have needed a good PG for a long time and the team looked good with him running the show.

He can shoot, he can dribble, he has good court vision

Start him and Frank in the backcourt. I’d even consider waiving Payton

I know everyone loves Frank but he’s not a starting caliber player. Burks is and if you have a backcourt of quickley and Burks you have enough shooting and maybe enough playmaking too. Starting Frank doesn’t address the biggest needs of this team.

Would want to keep Frank away from Randle to begin with. Burks should start over Frank as he is a quality enough vet. But Frank played 2 preseason games. The first one he played good. Thibs went with Smith, Frank, Knox, Obi, Mitch. The lineup that brought the team back in the game after the starters put the team in the hole. 2nd game he doesn't come in until 7 mins left in the 3rd to be paired with a Randle-Obi frontcourt. No favors were done for Frank with that. He drains a 3 then Randle refuses to hit him again when he's wide open. He didn't assume actual PG duties though until he was put back in with 5 mins left in the game due to Smith playing terrible at the time. But again was paired with Randle and we were not really running action at the top of the key where PGs make a living off of. Thibs could have easily stuck with what worked the game before and let them build. But he choose to sacrifice Frank for the experiment.

Yesterday looked good offensively from removing Randle's style of play from the equation and allowing the guards to run the offense with way more guard friendly sets. Which in the end set up the shooters and the bigs for alley oops.

The issue with Frank is he continues to play in slow motion with the ball in his hands and isn't much of a threat playing off the ball. He has to show something either on the ball or off. If not, he's a useful 5th guard on a team for his defensive energy. But right now Payton and Quickley probably earn all of the minutes at the 1 and Burks and Rivers will have the minutes at the 2. Frank and DSJ are basically fighting for minutes when 1 out of those 4 guys are out.

C Mitch and Noel
PF Randle and Obi
SF Barrett and Knox
SG Burks and Rivers
PG Payton and Quickley

That seems like the best 10 when the team is whole.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:I have to admit watching him run the team at PG was the most excited I have been about the Knicks in a while. We have needed a good PG for a long time and the team looked good with him running the show.

He can shoot, he can dribble, he has good court vision

Start him and Frank in the backcourt. I’d even consider waiving Payton

I know everyone loves Frank but he’s not a starting caliber player. Burks is and if you have a backcourt of quickley and Burks you have enough shooting and maybe enough playmaking too. Starting Frank doesn’t address the biggest needs of this team.

Would want to keep Frank away from Randle to begin with. Burks should start over Frank as he is a quality enough vet. But Frank played 2 preseason games. The first one he played good. Thibs went with Smith, Frank, Knox, Obi, Mitch. The lineup that brought the team back in the game after the starters put the team in the hole. 2nd game he doesn't come in until 7 mins left in the 3rd to be paired with a Randle-Obi frontcourt. No favors were done for Frank with that. He drains a 3 then Randle refuses to hit him again when he's wide open. He didn't assume actual PG duties though until he was put back in with 5 mins left in the game due to Smith playing terrible at the time. But again was paired with Randle and we were not really running action at the top of the key where PGs make a living off of. Thibs could have easily stuck with what worked the game before and let them build. But he choose to sacrifice Frank for the experiment.

Yesterday looked good offensively from removing Randle's style of play from the equation and allowing the guards to run the offense with way more guard friendly sets. Which in the end set up the shooters and the bigs for alley oops.

The issue with Frank is he continues to play in slow motion with the ball in his hands and isn't much of a threat playing off the ball. He has to show something either on the ball or off. If not, he's a useful 5th guard on a team for his defensive energy. But right now Payton and Quickley probably earn all of the minutes at the 1 and Burks and Rivers will have the minutes at the 2. Frank and DSJ are basically fighting for minutes when 1 out of those 4 guys are out.

C Mitch and Noel
PF Randle and Obi
SF Barrett and Knox
SG Burks and Rivers
PG Payton and Quickley

That seems like the best 10 when the team is whole.

Until Frank develops a 3 and can spread the floor, he is a “and D” not a “3 and D”. The commentary speaks for itself. He has value and upside, but his time to develop into an archetype starter is diminishing.

The team I loved were the KnickJrs.

IQ
Barrett
Knox
Toppin
Robinson

I understand not running those guys out until they get some confidence. But I want to see a lot of those guys running together. It will be easier once all of them know the offensive and defensive sets.

Clean wrote:While watching the 4th again I noticed multiple times Quick telling others players where to move to so they wont mess up spacing. We either scored or got fouled when ever he did this.

Gotta love that floor general attitude. Will take time, but the guys will start to understand where they need to be.