blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I found this interesting:

According to past agents, Robinson, who dropped out of Western Kentucky before fall classes, was difficult to communicate with via text.

Is that insinuating he can't read or struggles with it? Am I reading too much into that?

More of a concern is that he did not show up early with the rest of the team. On its own not the biggest deal. Ass a whole, with other info, troubling a bit. Lets hope its just media exaggeration during media week.

"According to a source, the Knicks were disappointed Robinson, their 2018 second-round pick, didn’t show up to Tarrytown earlier to start working with the new coaches. The first official practice is Sunday."

Rather ignore it all and get excited about this coming week.

This kid has too many concerns to just look the other way and hope it all goes away.

All of us had too many concerns and thank God my mom and the people around me, believed that it will not go away, but get better. And it did for me. Mitch is the same way. After reflecting on our discussion prior to his draft, and looking at his basketball career in HS and lack of career in college. It was clear he has other interest, and he told me that along with other people that knew him personally.

From my unprofessional take as a fan and during a brief 5 min discussion. He does not have that fire for basketball like some of the other players do. But I'm hoping now into his 3rd year, getting a feel for the garden crowd and his impact on the game. Plus Noel on the roster, will help light that fire again. Otherwise, he will only help Noel get more money, once we see them side by side, on the same team. There impact will be compared to each other all season.

You bring up a good point. Also feel that MR, as talented as he is, has had questionable decisions in his past. Many in which he went back on promises or changed his mind. Do not know if it was lack of commitment, ability to stick to a plan or lack of guidance. It is worth watching to see if that is his MO. Especially if the Knicks are going to sign him to a long term deal. I did not know that he attended three or four different HS's. Not so rare since many kids end up switching to better programs to get better exposure. However, concerning to see that he committed to one college but then reneged and committed to WK. And then again changed his mind after just a couple of weeks and wanted out of WK. Left school and tried to sign on to a different program but could not. Returned back to Western Kentucky but then changed his mind yet again to forgo College basketball all together. He decided to play in the NBA G League but did not realize that by attending classes at Western Kentucky, he would be barred from participating? Hopefully this is all in his past but the thread brings up a good point of discussion. Changing agents this many times only adds to the pattern he has had since HS.

Jmpasq wrote:

Chandler wrote:my guess is he's getting questionable advice from "friends" or family.

the reality is he is getting vastly underpaid. And if the NYK say hey you signed a contract that will not end well either; nor do they want to pay big money until he demonstrates consistency. i don't think Nelens appearance is an accident. it shows Mitch he's not super unique, and here's a guy who came out at the top of the lottery and is making like 5 million or so in today's market. Exapnd your game; get more professional. We can live without you. Of course that's a bit frightening to fans because we're so devoid of talent but it is the disciplined way

the biggest issue is do you trust the knicks as an organization to take care of you

A contender thats over the cap would love to have Mitch. They don't have to send a core piece out in trade with his low salary and get his bird rights. We could probably flip him for 2 late first round picks. I want to keep him but paying him 12-15 million a year seems like a bad idea right now with how the roster is constructed.

I thought there was a chance he got traded draft night and we move on GSW. What I did not know was mitch might not be all we thought he was and obviously other teams know the deal with him.
I think Noel is a great pickup not for his talent but for creating a competitive environment. Right now Obi and RJ can enjoy some breathing room because of their age. Nobody on this team has the contractual juice card to slide by. If Mitch was thinking about his contract too much then he in for a surprise. Noel has his friends on the coaching staff and he is hungry for a good contract.

Amazing, we had Mitch pegged in for future Allstar and one of the few bright spots given his 2nd round draft status and we wake up one day to find he is not all that.
Let the games begin!!!!

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Chandler wrote:my guess is he's getting questionable advice from "friends" or family.

the reality is he is getting vastly underpaid. And if the NYK say hey you signed a contract that will not end well either; nor do they want to pay big money until he demonstrates consistency. i don't think Nelens appearance is an accident. it shows Mitch he's not super unique, and here's a guy who came out at the top of the lottery and is making like 5 million or so in today's market. Exapnd your game; get more professional. We can live without you. Of course that's a bit frightening to fans because we're so devoid of talent but it is the disciplined way

the biggest issue is do you trust the knicks as an organization to take care of you

A contender thats over the cap would love to have Mitch. They don't have to send a core piece out in trade with his low salary and get his bird rights. We could probably flip him for 2 late first round picks. I want to keep him but paying him 12-15 million a year seems like a bad idea right now with how the roster is constructed.

I thought there was a chance he got traded draft night and we move on GSW. What I did not know was mitch might not be all we thought he was and obviously other teams know the deal with him.
I think Noel is a great pickup not for his talent but for creating a competitive environment. Right now Obi and RJ can enjoy some breathing room because of their age. Nobody on this team has the contractual juice card to slide by. If Mitch was thinking about his contract too much then he in for a surprise. Noel has his friends on the coaching staff and he is hungry for a good contract.

Amazing, we had Mitch pegged in for future Allstar and one of the few bright spots given his 2nd round draft status and we wake up one day to find he is not all that.
Let the games begin!!!!

For me there is an interesting trade out there depending on how the players pan out early in the season.

Mitch + Randle (for salary cap reasons) for Wiseman + Wiggins

Now, this trade has the flexibility to add plays to trade away from the Knicks that perhaps GS would want. Bullock for shooting? Frank for wing defense? Noel? Burks?

Knicks get top level talent that is tied up for 4 years at cost control but have to take on 3 years of Wiggins.

GS gets a C who is really cost controlled this year and next and reduces luxury tax by a LOT for multiple years. Maybe they get to retain Oubre for more than 1 year. Do they also get another TPE?

Not enough on the Knicks side of things? Knicks have Dallas unprotected pick and GS has Minny pick protected 1-3 next year. Those can be swapped with protection.

I don't know the luxury tax implications for GS but it has got to be significant.

With Klay out for the year perhaps their championship dreams go with it.
I sense that they value Wiggins still at age 24 and not quite the salary dump. Randle is an expiring but one that can still put up numbers.
When I discussed this prior to the draft I was under the belief that Mitch had few issues regarding his "character". Not that he is a bad dude, but his apparent track record of indecision/Commitment.
Fans also had a take that Thibs and Wiggins did not get on great. That has been addressed as likely being false.
I like that trade idea and do think it merits consideration. I agree we have to add more to make it equitable or take on more financial commitment.
Fans had Mitch as one of our "untouchables".

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Chandler wrote:my guess is he's getting questionable advice from "friends" or family.

the reality is he is getting vastly underpaid. And if the NYK say hey you signed a contract that will not end well either; nor do they want to pay big money until he demonstrates consistency. i don't think Nelens appearance is an accident. it shows Mitch he's not super unique, and here's a guy who came out at the top of the lottery and is making like 5 million or so in today's market. Exapnd your game; get more professional. We can live without you. Of course that's a bit frightening to fans because we're so devoid of talent but it is the disciplined way

the biggest issue is do you trust the knicks as an organization to take care of you

A contender thats over the cap would love to have Mitch. They don't have to send a core piece out in trade with his low salary and get his bird rights. We could probably flip him for 2 late first round picks. I want to keep him but paying him 12-15 million a year seems like a bad idea right now with how the roster is constructed.

I thought there was a chance he got traded draft night and we move on GSW. What I did not know was mitch might not be all we thought he was and obviously other teams know the deal with him.
I think Noel is a great pickup not for his talent but for creating a competitive environment. Right now Obi and RJ can enjoy some breathing room because of their age. Nobody on this team has the contractual juice card to slide by. If Mitch was thinking about his contract too much then he in for a surprise. Noel has his friends on the coaching staff and he is hungry for a good contract.

Amazing, we had Mitch pegged in for future Allstar and one of the few bright spots given his 2nd round draft status and we wake up one day to find he is not all that.
Let the games begin!!!!

For me there is an interesting trade out there depending on how the players pan out early in the season.

Mitch + Randle (for salary cap reasons) for Wiseman + Wiggins

Now, this trade has the flexibility to add plays to trade away from the Knicks that perhaps GS would want. Bullock for shooting? Frank for wing defense? Noel? Burks?

Knicks get top level talent that is tied up for 4 years at cost control but have to take on 3 years of Wiggins.

GS gets a C who is really cost controlled this year and next and reduces luxury tax by a LOT for multiple years. Maybe they get to retain Oubre for more than 1 year. Do they also get another TPE?

Not enough on the Knicks side of things? Knicks have Dallas unprotected pick and GS has Minny pick protected 1-3 next year. Those can be swapped with protection.

I don't know the luxury tax implications for GS but it has got to be significant.

With Klay out for the year perhaps their championship dreams go with it.
I sense that they value Wiggins still at age 24 and not quite the salary dump. Randle is an expiring but one that can still put up numbers.
When I discussed this prior to the draft I was under the belief that Mitch had few issues regarding his "character". Not that he is a bad dude, but his apparent track record of indecision/Commitment.
Fans also had a take that Thibs and Wiggins did not get on great. That has been addressed as likely being false.
I like that trade idea and do think it merits consideration. I agree we have to add more to make it equitable or take on more financial commitment.
Fans had Mitch as one of our "untouchables".

Do they love Wiggins enough to justify luxury tax like this:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1336467768359661569

I think Alan Hahn said in that Knicks fan tv interview that leading up to the draft the Knicks were talking to the Warriors for the 2nd pick as they wanted to draft Wiseman, but that the Warriors wanted us to take back Wigans and give up Much and Frank, I think. However, I'm presuming they'd also would have wanted our 1st, so doubt they do that sort of deal unless we sent them Toppin or the Dallas 2021?

Also, I wonder how Klay's injury has changed things. I also thought they'd want to cut the tax money, but they responded to the injury by taking on Oubre plus an even bigger tax hit.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Chandler wrote:my guess is he's getting questionable advice from "friends" or family.

the reality is he is getting vastly underpaid. And if the NYK say hey you signed a contract that will not end well either; nor do they want to pay big money until he demonstrates consistency. i don't think Nelens appearance is an accident. it shows Mitch he's not super unique, and here's a guy who came out at the top of the lottery and is making like 5 million or so in today's market. Exapnd your game; get more professional. We can live without you. Of course that's a bit frightening to fans because we're so devoid of talent but it is the disciplined way

the biggest issue is do you trust the knicks as an organization to take care of you

A contender thats over the cap would love to have Mitch. They don't have to send a core piece out in trade with his low salary and get his bird rights. We could probably flip him for 2 late first round picks. I want to keep him but paying him 12-15 million a year seems like a bad idea right now with how the roster is constructed.

I thought there was a chance he got traded draft night and we move on GSW. What I did not know was mitch might not be all we thought he was and obviously other teams know the deal with him.
I think Noel is a great pickup not for his talent but for creating a competitive environment. Right now Obi and RJ can enjoy some breathing room because of their age. Nobody on this team has the contractual juice card to slide by. If Mitch was thinking about his contract too much then he in for a surprise. Noel has his friends on the coaching staff and he is hungry for a good contract.

Amazing, we had Mitch pegged in for future Allstar and one of the few bright spots given his 2nd round draft status and we wake up one day to find he is not all that.
Let the games begin!!!!

For me there is an interesting trade out there depending on how the players pan out early in the season.

Mitch + Randle (for salary cap reasons) for Wiseman + Wiggins

Now, this trade has the flexibility to add plays to trade away from the Knicks that perhaps GS would want. Bullock for shooting? Frank for wing defense? Noel? Burks?

Knicks get top level talent that is tied up for 4 years at cost control but have to take on 3 years of Wiggins.

GS gets a C who is really cost controlled this year and next and reduces luxury tax by a LOT for multiple years. Maybe they get to retain Oubre for more than 1 year. Do they also get another TPE?

Not enough on the Knicks side of things? Knicks have Dallas unprotected pick and GS has Minny pick protected 1-3 next year. Those can be swapped with protection.

I don't know the luxury tax implications for GS but it has got to be significant.

With Klay out for the year perhaps their championship dreams go with it.
I sense that they value Wiggins still at age 24 and not quite the salary dump. Randle is an expiring but one that can still put up numbers.
When I discussed this prior to the draft I was under the belief that Mitch had few issues regarding his "character". Not that he is a bad dude, but his apparent track record of indecision/Commitment.
Fans also had a take that Thibs and Wiggins did not get on great. That has been addressed as likely being false.
I like that trade idea and do think it merits consideration. I agree we have to add more to make it equitable or take on more financial commitment.
Fans had Mitch as one of our "untouchables".

Do they love Wiggins enough to justify luxury tax like this:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1336467768359661569

Whoa, thats a lot of scratch for one season an likely no chip with empty seats!!!
Mitch, the 8th and Frank?? Did they draw the line at Wiggins or Frank? LOL!!!!

I like that we keep reading about deals we don’t do because of the price. It really me they are focused on a goal and perhaps when teh price is right they pounce. If one is patient the aggregate of saving “Here and there” allows you to go all when when something comes up.
I’m not naive to say Leon is holding frank, or not taking on Wiggins under the guise of waiting on Giannis or other super duper mega star but little things do add up!

Don't forget the $40 million they owe Oakland for the old Arena and Steph's impending extension. GSW is hurting. I'm not sure GSW will go that deep in the hole. They are a little more desperate then they seem. NY's financial advantage is even more pronounced this season. They have no need to panic and can wait as more and more teams get desperate.