BRIGGS wrote:

Pepper wrote:I think you sit tight. If I'm the Knicks, I'm not ready to sign Ingram to a max deal. It's not that he may not be worth it, its that the team is not there yet. And I would also like to see what RJ turns into. He's just scratching the surface. It looks like the Knicks are trying to build through the draft and stay away from lengthy, bloated contracts. I'm sure they will make a run at Giannis and other big name FAs but the goal right now is to develop your own talent and once you are a player or two away go after the big name FAs. The next two drafts have great talent and the Knicks have plenty of draft capital.

Agree. I’m happier with Knick direction

joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:NO might be more willing to part with Lonzo. Ingram is the more dynamic player, scorer. But Lonzo is a better floor general, plays better D. Believe he can give the team the stability at PG we need.

With Kira Lewis and Bledsoe there, if I'm the Knicks, I'm definitely calling the Pels to see if Lonzo is available. He's the perfect pg for players like Obi and Mitch who like the run the floor...He would make the game a lot easier for them.

Lonzo also runs halfcourt offenses well, which is something the Knicks havent had consistently, in a long time. Should add Id like to see it happen without giving up RJ.

I agree here. Lonzo is already on a learning curve (use Randle, picks for Lonzo and filler). He is still young too and it seems he is is real mature considering who his father is. If you could get him here and see a lineup of

Mitch
Toppin
RJ
Burks/Bullock
Lonzo

DSJ as the 6th man

Burk/Frank/IQ/Payton
Bullock/Iggy
Spellman
Noel

Seems like a decent team.

I cant give the Ball family esp the father the keys to the city. we would become more of a joke than we already are.

GustavBahler wrote:Ingram signed a big extension with NO. Maybe Lonzo will be available. Hopefully Smith jr will play well enough not to need a starting PG. Still would ask Pels what it would take. Believe it was Jay Williams who said that Lonzo is the best on the ball defender in the league. Thibs would like that at PG

GustavBahler wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ingram signed a big extension with NO. Maybe Lonzo will be available. Hopefully Smith jr will play well enough not to need a starting PG. Still would ask Pels what it would take. Believe it was Jay Williams who said that Lonzo is the best on the ball defender in the league. Thibs would like that at PG

Yea but would Thibs and the whole org like the crap that Balls father would do?? Im sorry and ball might be a good player we need but would we need the headache that comes with ball?

His father no longer controls his career, tells him what shoes to wear. The last couple of years are a testament to that. He's been mostly silent. No one is paying attention to his father anymore.

No way if Im Rose, I let whats now a minor issue. Stop me from acquiring Lonzo, if a workable deal is on the table.

joec32033 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:NO might be more willing to part with Lonzo. Ingram is the more dynamic player, scorer. But Lonzo is a better floor general, plays better D. Believe he can give the team the stability at PG we need.

With Kira Lewis and Bledsoe there, if I'm the Knicks, I'm definitely calling the Pels to see if Lonzo is available. He's the perfect pg for players like Obi and Mitch who like the run the floor...He would make the game a lot easier for them.

Lonzo also runs halfcourt offenses well, which is something the Knicks havent had consistently, in a long time. Should add Id like to see it happen without giving up RJ.

I agree here. Lonzo is already on a learning curve (use Randle, picks for Lonzo and filler). He is still young too and it seems he is is real mature considering who his father is. If you could get him here and see a lineup of

Mitch
Toppin
RJ
Burks/Bullock
Lonzo

DSJ as the 6th man

Burk/Frank/IQ/Payton
Bullock/Iggy
Spellman
Noel

Seems like a decent team.

It’s really bad lol but still right direction

It's only bad because there is no currently big name player on that team. Kind of have to get used to the fact that they are not luring anyone here. There is no white knight coming to save this team. It is going to be dependent on developing young talent and it is a slow process. I think this lineup would be a good starting point. That lineup can definitely use a better bench, but the starting 5 has potential. I think its a line up that in a regular 82 game season can get you around .500 (over/under) if all goes well.

You're adding a beyond-defensive rookie project and Lonzo and that gets you from 20-something wins to 40 something wins? But maybe the Thibs effect is good for that drastic of a change...

Here's hopin'

Here are my reasons:

1. An actual PG orchestrating the offense.
2. Thibs style minimizes the shooting weaknesses they have.
3.Lonzo/Rivers is a better rotation than Last year's PG mess.
4.Bullock/Burks is a better SG combo than the mess from last year.
5.RJ can play SF, where he should.
6.RJ also won't be asked to run the offense as a Rookie SG.
7.Thibs is a better coach than Mike Miller and Fizdale.
8.Minimal improvement from DSJ, Knox. They can't play any worse right?

They won 21 games in a 66 game season (21-45). Roughly a 33% clip. Add 16 games. 1/3 of that is about another 5 wins. So they would 26-56 if the percentage holds up. I said around .500, should have been more clear. I meant anywhere between 38 to 42 wins. Maybe 43 or 44 if you get RJ playing like Paul Pierce Vince Carter/Dominique Wilkins/Kawhi Leonard and Mitch playing like Camby and Lonzo doing his absolute best Jason Kidd impression of a guy impersonating Jason Kidd.

Fixed. Please stop with the PP references. Makes me want to vomit. Anything or anyone but Paul Pierce.

So Frankie doesn't feature in your PG/SG happy path at all?

jrodmc wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:NO might be more willing to part with Lonzo. Ingram is the more dynamic player, scorer. But Lonzo is a better floor general, plays better D. Believe he can give the team the stability at PG we need.

With Kira Lewis and Bledsoe there, if I'm the Knicks, I'm definitely calling the Pels to see if Lonzo is available. He's the perfect pg for players like Obi and Mitch who like the run the floor...He would make the game a lot easier for them.

Lonzo also runs halfcourt offenses well, which is something the Knicks havent had consistently, in a long time. Should add Id like to see it happen without giving up RJ.

I agree here. Lonzo is already on a learning curve (use Randle, picks for Lonzo and filler). He is still young too and it seems he is is real mature considering who his father is. If you could get him here and see a lineup of

Mitch
Toppin
RJ
Burks/Bullock
Lonzo

DSJ as the 6th man

Burk/Frank/IQ/Payton
Bullock/Iggy
Spellman
Noel

Seems like a decent team.

It’s really bad lol but still right direction

It's only bad because there is no currently big name player on that team. Kind of have to get used to the fact that they are not luring anyone here. There is no white knight coming to save this team. It is going to be dependent on developing young talent and it is a slow process. I think this lineup would be a good starting point. That lineup can definitely use a better bench, but the starting 5 has potential. I think its a line up that in a regular 82 game season can get you around .500 (over/under) if all goes well.

You're adding a beyond-defensive rookie project and Lonzo and that gets you from 20-something wins to 40 something wins? But maybe the Thibs effect is good for that drastic of a change...

Here's hopin'

Here are my reasons:

1. An actual PG orchestrating the offense.
2. Thibs style minimizes the shooting weaknesses they have.
3.Lonzo/Rivers is a better rotation than Last year's PG mess.
4.Bullock/Burks is a better SG combo than the mess from last year.
5.RJ can play SF, where he should.
6.RJ also won't be asked to run the offense as a Rookie SG.
7.Thibs is a better coach than Mike Miller and Fizdale.
8.Minimal improvement from DSJ, Knox. They can't play any worse right?

They won 21 games in a 66 game season (21-45). Roughly a 33% clip. Add 16 games. 1/3 of that is about another 5 wins. So they would 26-56 if the percentage holds up. I said around .500, should have been more clear. I meant anywhere between 38 to 42 wins. Maybe 43 or 44 if you get RJ playing like Paul Pierce Vince Carter/Dominique Wilkins/Kawhi Leonard and Mitch playing like Camby and Lonzo doing his absolute best Jason Kidd impression of a guy impersonating Jason Kidd.

Please stop with the PP references. Makes me want to vomit. Anything or anyone but Paul Pierce.

So Frankie doesn't feature in your PG/SG happy path at all?

Fixed. Kawhi plays nothing like Vince or Nique. And RJ plays NOTHING like any of them, especially Vince and Nique.

Dude looks, and moves like Paul Pierce to me.

No, actually Frank doesn't. He has shown a couple games improvement. He has done it 2 years in a row now, but over the long term he doesn't get better. It is still the same issues.

And I just want to make sure we are on the same page, I believe that the team I listed can be a decent team who's ceiling is that 38 to 42 wins (or so) in an 82 win season. This season (70 games) i think they can do 30-35, at best, with the roster I listed before.

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ingram signed a big extension with NO. Maybe Lonzo will be available. Hopefully Smith jr will play well enough not to need a starting PG. Still would ask Pels what it would take. Believe it was Jay Williams who said that Lonzo is the best on the ball defender in the league. Thibs would like that at PG

Yea but would Thibs and the whole org like the crap that Balls father would do?? Im sorry and ball might be a good player we need but would we need the headache that comes with ball?

His father no longer controls his career, tells him what shoes to wear. The last couple of years are a testament to that. He's been mostly silent. No one is paying attention to his father anymore.

No way if Im Rose, I let whats now a minor issue. Stop me from acquiring Lonzo, if a workable deal is on the table.

just saying,No aint Msg. Hed been a clown

Fortunately not your call. Its Rose's. He spent his career dealing with the parents of athletes. Better equipped to deal with the father than most. I would be watching the game, not paying attention to the sideshow. Small potatoes.

Oak, Spike and "Sell the team" all say hello.
Putting someone like Ball Sr. in MSG is like filling a bic lighter with nitrous oxide. Rose and crew might be able to handle him, but I'd rather not run the risk of the side show. Lonzo's not turning the needle that much.

AGREED,why take the risk?

New Orleans Pelicans star Zion Williamson praised the pinpoint passing of teammate Lonzo Ball following the Pelicans' 120-107 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday. 

"Even though they're from so far away, he just puts it like in a spot where he's throwing a lob from the close elbow," Williamson told reporters. "He puts it on a perfect spot and I'm just able to get it."

Nalod wrote:How to handle Lavar:

Dolan hires Oak as special advisor and community liaison.
Its a nice thing anyway, makes fans happy and perhaps gives Oak some knick purpose he craves.
Oak and Dolan figure it out and move forward.
Oak is a knick/Dolan advocate.
Oak sits next to Lavar every game. Problem solved.
On the other side you put Spike. Spike argues everything. Him and Lavar can go at it. Keep them both busy.
They happy.
Oak happy.
Dolan happy.

YOU my friend have quite the imagination

cooch2584 wrote:Did anyone hear that lavar said it would hafta be 200 million for him to play michael jordan??? ANd you guys want this pos at DA GARDEN??

He’s a clown. It’s funny

cooch2584 wrote:

wargames wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:Did anyone hear that lavar said it would hafta be 200 million for him to play michael jordan??? ANd you guys want this pos at DA GARDEN??

He’s a clown. It’s funny

Funny how?? Like a clown he amuses you??

Funny like we make him the halftime show.