Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

If a player doesn't fit, then you have to find other players that fit the way he plays.

That was mills problem to begin with, just get some talented players that don't compliment each other

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

Not drafting by fit is a terrible way to develop chemistry.

If a player doesn't fit, then you have to find other players that fit the way he plays.

That was mills problem to begin with, just get some talented players that don't compliment each other

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

Not drafting by fit is a terrible way to develop chemistry.

If a player doesn't fit, then you have to find other players that fit the way he plays.

That was mills problem to begin with, just get some talented players that don't compliment each other

I think if you have two guys who are rated similarly, I think you go with fit. If you have one guy who is clearly rated over the guys who is the better fit, you go with the guy who is more talented. It goes back to the Jordan/Sam Bowie debate the Trailblazers probably had. They should've picked Jordan, even though they already had Drexler. In the Knicks case, they have no one of Drexler's caliber on the roster. They need players. Best case scenario, the pick pops and you can trade that player for pieces that do pick.

The problem i have is that the knicks have no history of developing players under no regime. Despite having a new regime that seems a little more experience in the development dept, I still think with a "WIN NOW COACH" you want to focus on who fits.

The talent level in this draft is almost certainly a "best fit" draft as oppose to a really talented class

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

Okoro seems to be wired like Jimmy Butler... I don't know him well enough to say for sure, but he seems like he is confident to the point of maybe being irrationally overconfident... but I mean **** John Starks was wired that way too as were many of the 90s Knicks

Well there's a Starks clone in this draft in Maxey. Undersized but hard-nosed. Good defender, streaky but good shooter, stuck in between positions but is a gamer.

I would love to see the Knicks trade down for the Celtics three picks and I would be good with Maxey. That would probably be my ideal draft if Toppin (or similar) doesn't fall

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

Not drafting by fit is a terrible way to develop chemistry.

If a player doesn't fit, then you have to find other players that fit the way he plays.

That was mills problem to begin with, just get some talented players that don't compliment each other

I think if you have two guys who are rated similarly, I think you go with fit. If you have one guy who is clearly rated over the guys who is the better fit, you go with the guy who is more talented. It goes back to the Jordan/Sam Bowie debate the Trailblazers probably had. They should've picked Jordan, even though they already had Drexler. In the Knicks case, they have no one of Drexler's caliber on the roster. They need players. Best case scenario, the pick pops and you can trade that player for pieces that do pick.

Ok, i can understand that

The problem i have is that the knicks have no history of developing players under no regime. Despite having a new regime that seems a little more experience in the development dept, I still think with a "WIN NOW COACH" you want to focus on who fits.

The talent level in this draft is almost certainly a "best fit" draft as oppose to a really talented class

That's fair. You can argue that Vassell and Okoro aren't that far apart in term of their ability to contribute to a team right away. Heck, I'd probably give the edge to Vassell in that department, assuming his spot up shooting carries over. Okoro has much higher upside, so I lean towards drafting him. It's a legit argument.

I never understood the term HIGHER UPSIDE because did AI and Marbury have a higher upside than Kobe.

I feel like there's no limit to how good a player can be if he puts in the work, but when the player fits the system from day one, the learning curb is reduce by a lot..

Celtics

14
26
27
30
39

And buying/trading for another second Rounder

6 shots to find greatness

Of course majority will need D league. We not giving 6 rookie spots on the roster lol

Hopefully 2 can impact our future.

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are staying at 8, you take Okoro. He is the most physically gifted player on the board and probably has the most potential. He can guard 1-4, is physically imposing, attacks the rack, and scores well around the rim. All indications are that he is an extremely hard worker and I believe he will proper coaching, he can and will improve his handle and shot. If we were to hold a redraft 3 years from now, he could be the number 1 pick...thats how much potential he has.

If we trade back, then its Kira, Maxey or Terry...

I have Maxey over Kira. I'm all over the place with Terry. I really wish we had an NCAA tournament. As for Okoro, he has the requisite physical package and athleticism to be an impact player. His outside shot needs work, but I'm not convinced it's as broken as some would have you believe. I think he just needs reps and improved focus. The Knicks aren't at a point where they can draft completely off of fit. I like RJ a lot, but I'm still not convinced he can be the best player on a contending team. The team needs talent and athleticism.

Agreed about not drafting for fit. We need a serious upgrade in talent. RJ, I think will be a nice piece to have, but no way do I see him as the best player on a contending team.

Okoro is a dog who plays above the rim. He's the type of athlete that contending teams have and his strength on the wing will be tough to deal with for the opposition on both sides of the ball. If he can develop some consistency with his jumper, he will be a perennial allstar.

Not drafting by fit is a terrible way to develop chemistry.

If a player doesn't fit, then you have to find other players that fit the way he plays.

That was mills problem to begin with, just get some talented players that don't compliment each other

The Warriors can draft for fit...Wiseman and or Haliburton are 2 players that will fit their roster and system. Winning teams generally will draft for for fit unless a talented players slips in the draft like Porter did when the Nuggets scooped him up.

We have one of the least talented rosters in the league and are in need a serious injection of talent and athletes. Which players are we trying to fit draft picks with? Julius Randle? Elfrid Payton?

Robinson and RJ ain't good enough to prevent me from drafting Wiseman and or Edwards if they slip. Drafting players isn't always about drafting for fit right away, sometimes its about collecting assets and or making moves for the future.

BRIGGS wrote:1 Nesmith
2 Okoro
I’m good either or but I like the thought process of getting a great shooter.

Don’t think any one is slipping above. Ie ball wiseman edwards

If we remain @ 8, I've been on the Okoro bandwagon for a while. Been watching a lot of film on Nesmith of late, and he has definitely grown on me. I think we can trade back, get an asset and still draft Nesmith if thats the direction they want to go in.

Besides shooting and his ability to run off screens and shoot on the move, I'm intrigued by his strength. That tells me has the ability to absorb and finish through contact. I think he has the ability to be more than just a shooter....