technomaster wrote:Yeah, I kind of agree that Randle is NOT low value around the league. Other teams still see 20ppg/10rpg/3apg, can handle the ball a little and hit some 3s. (I guess the vision of him dribbling into traffic and coughing up the ball in the clutch is etched in our brains that we can't see his production holistically)

He signed a 2 yr deal with a 3rd yr TO with the Knicks. That’s not a deal you sign with a non playoff caliber team if your valued around the league like that.

With a 3 point shot which was decent his last yr with NO and less TOS. He has real good value. Without it he’s a 6th man. I was really hoping for him to evolve as a point forward type. But that was an epic failure. Still was worth the shot given the contract though.

knicks1248 wrote:

technomaster wrote:Yeah, I kind of agree that Randle is NOT low value around the league. Other teams still see 20ppg/10rpg/3apg, can handle the ball a little and hit some 3s. (I guess the vision of him dribbling into traffic and coughing up the ball in the clutch is etched in our brains that we can't see his production holistically)

Some fans want flawless players, some fans still don't realize we are not a popular destination so regardless of cap space, your not getting Gannis.

Jru is a solid player, but he doesn't have the leadership skills CP has.

Randle doesn’t have to be perfect. But he can’t be a player who isn’t strong defensively and not able to knock down the 3 to provide space consistently. But also start. I mean he could be those things and start but that would mean his offense would need to be at MVP level where it’s worth building everything around him. And he hasn’t shown he is that caliber of offensive talent.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Its funny.. whenever there's a trade proposal, Knox, Randle and DSJ are the only names that knick homers are willing to toss in almost every trade.

Your bascially saying take our struggling low value players, and give us your best players + draft picks for taking back some salary, and we'll throw in a 2nd rnd pick...

Randle's name is gonna be thrown out there in most scenarios because of salary match. I don't giving up low performing young players will get it done for Holiday. NOP will want picks.

I HONSTLY feel the knicks will focus on CP especially since his recent request is either to the Lerbon lakers or leons knicks

It isn't to Lakers, it's to the Clippers. PG13 may be on the market and LAC would like to net CP3 and maybe Horfod and the like.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

technomaster wrote:Yeah, I kind of agree that Randle is NOT low value around the league. Other teams still see 20ppg/10rpg/3apg, can handle the ball a little and hit some 3s. (I guess the vision of him dribbling into traffic and coughing up the ball in the clutch is etched in our brains that we can't see his production holistically)

He signed a 2 yr deal with a 3rd yr TO with the Knicks. That’s not a deal you sign with a non playoff caliber team if your valued around the league like that.

With a 3 point shot which was decent his last yr with NO and less TOS. He has real good value. Without it he’s a 6th man. I was really hoping for him to evolve as a point forward type. But that was an epic failure. Still was worth the shot given the contract though.

First of all, last yrs FA class was TOP TIER heavy, and it was a smart contract on the part of MILLS.

The Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Brooklyn Nets are reportedly among the teams expected to express interest in free-agent forward Julius Randle.

You and Fizdale were probably the only 2 people that wanted to see him playing Point FWD. If I had time, I would pull up the thread I started totally disagreeing with that Idea as soon as fiz made it public.

Randle had his worst yr because of the coaching staff and the super unbalanced low IQ roster, which is why that had to be changed.

I’m was cool with the point forward idea because that type of player was needed and Randle displayed some level of capability doing so with Lakers and NO. Given his age, experience and lottery talent. It wasnt out of this world for him to have developed and evolved towards that path.

If he is not capable of being that than he is a points per possession role player. From there his 3 point shooting will determine if he could start or come off the bench like Harrell on a winning team. Randle starting on a team that could compete would need a center that can cover him on defense and provide spacing for him. Which is a lot harder to find than a forward that can space the floor and provide help defense. Since he is a turnover machine would need a PG to take the ball out of his hands until he is in scoring position. But from that aspect would be better to have a defensive guy who the PG could do the same for offensively as long as he isn’t terrible offensively.

You made very similar case for Kanter last yr. On a way better contending team with a top of h tho s line coach. He was used as a PPP off the bench role player. Because that’s what his skill set dictated within this current NBA.

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Its funny.. whenever there's a trade proposal, Knox, Randle and DSJ are the only names that knick homers are willing to toss in almost every trade.

Your bascially saying take our struggling low value players, and give us your best players + draft picks for taking back some salary, and we'll throw in a 2nd rnd pick...

Randle is 100% not low-value. That’s why you trade now. Not everyone is so quick to give up on Knox. I am one of them. I agree that selling DSJ while his value is low is not always the smart move but if you can get something back then gangbusters.

Problem with Knox is he has zero lateral quickness which makes him a total liability on defense. He’s not nearly a good enough shooter. For all the hatred Frank gets for his shooting, Knox’s percentages are as bad or worse

Knox can be really good in transition and he can sometimes slash really well and that’s about it.

So yes use him as trade bait.

Philc1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Its funny.. whenever there's a trade proposal, Knox, Randle and DSJ are the only names that knick homers are willing to toss in almost every trade.

Your bascially saying take our struggling low value players, and give us your best players + draft picks for taking back some salary, and we'll throw in a 2nd rnd pick...

Randle is 100% not low-value. That’s why you trade now. Not everyone is so quick to give up on Knox. I am one of them. I agree that selling DSJ while his value is low is not always the smart move but if you can get something back then gangbusters.

Problem with Knox is he has zero lateral quickness which makes him a total liability on defense. He’s not nearly a good enough shooter. For all the hatred Frank gets for his shooting, Knox’s percentages are as bad or worse

Knox can be really good in transition and he can sometimes slash really well and that’s about it.

So yes use him as trade bait.

Good think other teams don’t know this!

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Its funny.. whenever there's a trade proposal, Knox, Randle and DSJ are the only names that knick homers are willing to toss in almost every trade.

Your bascially saying take our struggling low value players, and give us your best players + draft picks for taking back some salary, and we'll throw in a 2nd rnd pick...

Randle is 100% not low-value. That’s why you trade now. Not everyone is so quick to give up on Knox. I am one of them. I agree that selling DSJ while his value is low is not always the smart move but if you can get something back then gangbusters.

Problem with Knox is he has zero lateral quickness which makes him a total liability on defense. He’s not nearly a good enough shooter. For all the hatred Frank gets for his shooting, Knox’s percentages are as bad or worse

Knox can be really good in transition and he can sometimes slash really well and that’s about it.

So yes use him as trade bait.

Good think other teams don’t know this!

Knox has the ability to do a couple things really well. We already have RJ who is a way better Wing as our SF of the future and will likely draft another wing player at 8 so if OKC wants Knox for Paul ok

Offer a future pick for Lonzo Ball. It takes his salary off the books, NO can hang onto Jrue for another year.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/11/04/rumor-gordon-hayward-wants-out-of-boston-may-opt-out-of-contract/

There are $34.1 million reasons for Gordon Hayward to stay in Boston next season — and that still may not be enough.

There has been some talk in league circles that Hayward’s agent was testing the waters to see if a longer-term contract with more guaranteed money was out there. Now The Ringer’s Ryen Russillo said on the most recent “The Bill Simmons Podcast” Hayward wants out of Boston but may not find a new landing place.

“I’ve heard Gordon Hayward does want out, but I don’t know if he’s gonna get the money. He’s not opting out of that huge number unless he knows he’s getting the deal.”

Id give him a Randle type deal as an agreement to opt out. Don't know if that would be enough.

Paul or Holiday & Hayward with a 2 yr window to stabilize the team and be competitive wouldn't be a bad move to go along with the lotto pick coming in. They are real good fits around RJ & Mitch. Gallo would be my ideal 3rd guy but word is he is ring chasing and may look to sign with the Lakers.

newyorknewyork wrote:I guess I will throw this in here as to not start a new thread.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/11/04/rumor-gordon-hayward-wants-out-of-boston-may-opt-out-of-contract/

There are $34.1 million reasons for Gordon Hayward to stay in Boston next season — and that still may not be enough.

There has been some talk in league circles that Hayward’s agent was testing the waters to see if a longer-term contract with more guaranteed money was out there. Now The Ringer’s Ryen Russillo said on the most recent “The Bill Simmons Podcast” Hayward wants out of Boston but may not find a new landing place.

“I’ve heard Gordon Hayward does want out, but I don’t know if he’s gonna get the money. He’s not opting out of that huge number unless he knows he’s getting the deal.”

Id give him a Randle type deal as an agreement to opt out. Don't know if that would be enough.

Paul or Holiday & Hayward with a 2 yr window to stabilize the team and be competitive wouldn't be a bad move to go along with the lotto pick coming in. They are real good fits around RJ & Mitch. Gallo would be my ideal 3rd guy but word is he is ring chasing and may look to sign with the Lakers.

I think the Boston rumors are hinting at Haywood returning to Utah.