knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

IDK how you give a guy credit who contributed in building a losing culture that no star wanted to be part of, A good thing.

Melo was not injury prone(OKC got a better haul for melo a yr later), Your best draft pick since patrick ewing wanted out after only 2 1/2 yrs.

He did a lot of Harm from an a culture stand point, from a development stand point, and from the overall environment.

it's like your saying " I'M OK WITH KEEPING PERRY BECAUSE he didn't signed bad contracts..(Mitch a 2nd rounder, for HOF Melo is a good trade in your eyes)..OOK.

Morey is the anti perry

"Losing culture" is signing overpriced retreads to max deals. Its trading away years of future draft picks, for one star. Who wont be enough to move the needle. Its trading away disgruntled, and injury prone stars, like KP and Melo, for peanuts, or expensive retreads. Like we did in the past.

Go back and look at Melo's injuries his last few years in NY, and how it affected his performance. He went from being one of the most clutch performers late in the game, to a non-factor. Injuries, wear and tear, played a big part. Sorry, your version is a complete fiction.

Perry has been on the job how long? We have cap space, picks, some good, young talent to build on.
What were you expecting in a couple of years, after decades of losing? Instant contender, just add water?

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

IDK how you give a guy credit who contributed in building a losing culture that no star wanted to be part of, A good thing.

Melo was not injury prone(OKC got a better haul for melo a yr later), Your best draft pick since patrick ewing wanted out after only 2 1/2 yrs.

He did a lot of Harm from an a culture stand point, from a development stand point, and from the overall environment.

it's like your saying " I'M OK WITH KEEPING PERRY BECAUSE he didn't signed bad contracts..(Mitch a 2nd rounder, for HOF Melo is a good trade in your eyes)..OOK.

Morey is the anti perry

"Losing culture" is signing overpriced retreads to max deals. Its trading away years of future draft picks, for one star. Who wont be enough to move the needle. Its trading away disgruntled, and injury prone stars, like KP and Melo, for peanuts, or expensive retreads. Like we did in the past.

Go back and look at Melo's injuries his last few years in NY, and how it affected his performance. He went from being one of the most clutch performers late in the game, to a non-factor. Injuries, wear and tear, played a big part. Sorry, your version is a complete fiction.

Perry has been on the job how long? We have cap space, picks, some good, young talent to build on. What were you expecting in a couple of years, after decades of losing? Instant contender, just add water?

so I guess I could thank Perry for setting up the Next regime, because I promise you, his contract will not get renewed.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

IDK how you give a guy credit who contributed in building a losing culture that no star wanted to be part of, A good thing.

Melo was not injury prone(OKC got a better haul for melo a yr later), Your best draft pick since patrick ewing wanted out after only 2 1/2 yrs.

He did a lot of Harm from an a culture stand point, from a development stand point, and from the overall environment.

it's like your saying " I'M OK WITH KEEPING PERRY BECAUSE he didn't signed bad contracts..(Mitch a 2nd rounder, for HOF Melo is a good trade in your eyes)..OOK.

Morey is the anti perry

"Losing culture" is signing overpriced retreads to max deals. Its trading away years of future draft picks, for one star. Who wont be enough to move the needle. Its trading away disgruntled, and injury prone stars, like KP and Melo, for peanuts, or expensive retreads. Like we did in the past.

Go back and look at Melo's injuries his last few years in NY, and how it affected his performance. He went from being one of the most clutch performers late in the game, to a non-factor. Injuries, wear and tear, played a big part. Sorry, your version is a complete fiction.

Perry has been on the job how long? We have cap space, picks, some good, young talent to build on. What were you expecting in a couple of years, after decades of losing? Instant contender, just add water?

so I guess I could thank Perry for setting up the Next regime, because I promise you, his contract will not get renewed.

Maybe so. IDK if Perry can take the Knicks to the next level. He's already taken the team from incompetent to competent. Making deals that give the Knicks a future. Been a long time since the team was in a better position to move forward.

Believe Rose was brought in to be a dealmaker, and to shake things up. He's doing that in the front office. Hasnt had the chance yet to have an impact on the roster. Im guessing Rose is looking to be more of a chance taker when it comes to making deals. While Perry (from what we've seen) is more likely to take a conservative approach.

Thats a good combination to have. Perry can help Rose avoid the mistakes his predecessors have made. Which he has avoided as GM. Perry also has a good relationship with other GMs. Dont see the point in replacing him. Fixing what isnt broken.

Walsh Had Cap space, Phil had cap space, and Mills had a boat load of cap space, and none of those regimes could land a BIG FISH. To make matters worse, we haven't develop a single player in god knows how long.

The 2 teams that were in the finals this yr (Miami and the lakers) have not had the kind of Cap space the knicks have had in over a decade, yet when it was time to land a big fish, they make the trades to open up cap space...

You can count on your hands the amount of BAD contacts there are in the NBA, and that's primarily because of the LAST CBA...you will never see another Lou Deng or Noah type contract in the NBA..

The bottom line is we have been a very bad team under PERRY, with little to no growth.

houston20 wrote:Morey is not great with players and free agents he lies too much look at melo and chris paul situation. Morey is too damn stubborn to analytical and bad for businness not lot people like and made nba lost 1 billion dollars because of his china not saying it was the right or wrong tweet.

13 year reign with 2nd best winning % in that time. The guy was hardly a failure. He played a high stakes game and won more than not. No chips? True, but look at what he was faced with during that era. Suns, Lakers, spurs and then GSW.
Perhaps spoke out of line in the corp sense at estimated cost Of 400,000. Not like he broke a rule that existed, I can’t fathom he understood that speaking up for human rights would have that consequence.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

IDK how you give a guy credit who contributed in building a losing culture that no star wanted to be part of, A good thing.

Melo was not injury prone(OKC got a better haul for melo a yr later), Your best draft pick since patrick ewing wanted out after only 2 1/2 yrs.

He did a lot of Harm from an a culture stand point, from a development stand point, and from the overall environment.

it's like your saying " I'M OK WITH KEEPING PERRY BECAUSE he didn't signed bad contracts..(Mitch a 2nd rounder, for HOF Melo is a good trade in your eyes)..OOK.

Morey is the anti perry

"Losing culture" is signing overpriced retreads to max deals. Its trading away years of future draft picks, for one star. Who wont be enough to move the needle. Its trading away disgruntled, and injury prone stars, like KP and Melo, for peanuts, or expensive retreads. Like we did in the past.

Go back and look at Melo's injuries his last few years in NY, and how it affected his performance. He went from being one of the most clutch performers late in the game, to a non-factor. Injuries, wear and tear, played a big part. Sorry, your version is a complete fiction.

Perry has been on the job how long? We have cap space, picks, some good, young talent to build on. What were you expecting in a couple of years, after decades of losing? Instant contender, just add water?

so I guess I could thank Perry for setting up the Next regime, because I promise you, his contract will not get renewed.

Maybe so. IDK if Perry can take the Knicks to the next level. He's already taken the team from incompetent to competent. Making deals that give the Knicks a future. Been a long time since the team was in a better position to move forward.

Believe Rose was brought in to be a dealmaker, and to shake things up. He's doing that in the front office. Hasnt had the chance yet to have an impact on the roster. Im guessing Rose is looking to be more of a chance taker when it comes to making deals. While Perry (from what we've seen) is more likely to take a conservative approach.

Thats a good combination to have. Perry can help Rose avoid the mistakes his predecessors have made. Which he has avoided as GM. Perry also has a good relationship with other GMs. Dont see the point in replacing him. Fixing what isnt broken.

Walsh Had Cap space, Phil had cap space, and Mills had a boat load of cap space, and none of those regimes could land a BIG FISH. To make matters worse, we haven't develop a single player in god knows how long.

The 2 teams that were in the finals this yr (Miami and the lakers) have not had the kind of Cap space the knicks have had in over a decade, yet when it was time to land a big fish, they make the trades to open up cap space...

You can count on your hands the amount of BAD contacts there are in the NBA, and that's primarily because of the LAST CBA...you will never see another Lou Deng or Noah type contract in the NBA..

The bottom line is we have been a very bad team under PERRY, with little to no growth.

Not all Gm’s are equal. Some have the defacto ability and cred within the organization to lead the direction of the team. Not all owners are involved. Safe to say Owners are involved in writing the big checks to players and over see their property. Sam Presti has been in OKC and I believe he came from Seattle with them.

Agents on who they think is the smartest GM 10 — Sam Presti (Thunder) • “Sam Presti because he unloaded a lot of money. Even though I’m an agent and I go get the money, it’s so out of whack that reducing what you’re spending is smart.” • “The smartest in terms of IQ, which is total comprehension of what they’re doing, but also EQ, because they know the relational aspect is just as important as the competency aspect, I might have to go with Sam Presti. I think he’s developed. He’s gotten better over time. A smart person is one who is a developing person. I would say Sam Presti has developed. Most of these teams, you’re dealing with a couple of people, but with him, he’s the only one you’re dealing with. You could say Pat Riley, but you’re dealing with Andy and those other guys. But with Sam, he’s the only one you’re dealing with.” – via Ben Standig @ The Athletic

Note how the writer thinks Presti has improved. Seattle was tanking and he had little cred to stand on when he started. Not saying Perry will ever get to this level given how our FO is structured but don’t get lost on what the past has been. Its not always indicative of the future.

Orlando has fired two coaches that have gone on to win chips with other teams. Rivers and Vogel. Coaches and GM’s get better and circumstances matter.
you don’t know if Perry on his first day was of the opinion “yeah, you should trade KP as per Phil”!
Seems PHil was fired by Dolan for this attempt.
What if you knew this? What if you had knowledge of Perry’s opinions in Orlando as assistant GM? Might change things. We don’t know. The Devo’s family might simply have not wanted an African American as its GM and thus he was cast out when they made the change. We don’t know.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rockets had second best record in Morey 13 year tenure in the league. No chips is not successful?
Maybe Rockets mostly over achieved enroute to the playoffs?
We Riley unsuccessful as knick coach because they lost in the finals when favorite?
Did MDA fail in Phx because they could not get a chip?

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Morey made one brilliant move in recognizing a young guy on OKC's bench as arguably the league's best player in the making. The rest came from this one move. He made some good calls and some bad calls afterwards, but with Harden as the linchpin, he had a competitive team for years.

All Gm’s make mistakes. Its a percentage game. Make more decisions, work harder than others, good things will happen.

martin wrote:OK weird coda, maybe China wasn't the impetus

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They were talking on ESPN about Morey maybe bringing Harden to Philly. The only way I see that working is Harden not dominating the ball, and the shot clock. Who wants to be his teammate?

Not to mention Harden's lack of clutch in the playoffs, going back to OKC.