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How Would You Feel About Terry Rozier And Malik Monk As New York Knicks?
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10/12/2020  10:54 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

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10/12/2020  10:57 PM
Jmpasq wrote:How depressing is it that this is the best this franchise can do. Seriously I see no way we fix this in the next 5 years. We need a miracle. I think we should tank so hard next year we inrage the league. We have to assure a Top 5 pick. Basically we need to lose at a historic rate because the league will fix the lottery against us. That and we have to hope doncic misses the entire season.
As far as Rozier, I'm fine with a Randle swap. Not giving up picks for him

Oh yeah because tanking has resulted in us getting Zion, KD and Karl Anthony Towns. Maybe one of these years Silver will feel sorry for knicks fans and rig the draft for us instead of for some small western conference market whose owner he owes a favor to. Maybe Silver grows a brain and realizes the Knicks sucking is bad for tv ratings which are plummeting even with a pandemic forcing people to stay at home

Just MAYBE!

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10/13/2020  8:06 AM
Re: Terry Rozier, aren’t he and FVV similarly situated players? So, if one is a FA and he other costs assets, isn’t this just a cost benefit analysis until FVV signs with a team in FA? In other words, if you wanted FVV you should want Rozier. It’s just that FVV should cost less resources to obtain.
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10/13/2020  8:43 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Re: Terry Rozier, aren’t he and FVV similarly situated players? So, if one is a FA and he other costs assets, isn’t this just a cost benefit analysis until FVV signs with a team in FA? In other words, if you wanted FVV you should want Rozier. It’s just that FVV should cost less resources to obtain.

FVV is a better playmaker. He's much more completed as a guard, but Rozier is solid.

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10/13/2020  10:51 AM
As of now pro tanking comments result in a $500 fine.
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10/13/2020  11:34 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

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10/14/2020  3:30 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

Monk is a shooting specialist who can’t shoot. Smith is a poor man’s Marbury

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10/14/2020  3:42 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

Monk is a shooting specialist who can’t shoot. Smith is a poor man’s Marbury

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10/14/2020  4:41 PM
Knixkik wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Re: Terry Rozier, aren’t he and FVV similarly situated players? So, if one is a FA and he other costs assets, isn’t this just a cost benefit analysis until FVV signs with a team in FA? In other words, if you wanted FVV you should want Rozier. It’s just that FVV should cost less resources to obtain.

FVV is a better playmaker. He's much more completed as a guard, but Rozier is solid.

I mean, you could argue Rozier has the better Defense. But, we are really discussing Tier as a guard, no? My comment is more about where the market is made on this.

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10/14/2020  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2020  4:45 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

Monk is a shooting specialist who can’t shoot. Smith is a poor man’s Marbury

Opinions are like you know what. Fact is that Frank has not averaged better numbers than Smith. No matter how the skewed eye test want it to be so. Misread the post. Thought Payton was the other player you thought Frank was better than.

Look, it is futile asking Frank loyalists to admit he is not as good as they think he is. However, I would agree that last year he showed more signs of becoming what some think he is. My call was that he was just a role player. Nothing has changed my opinion. Does not mean that I do not want him to prove me wrong and become an important part of the team. Go Frank. Just do not understand why so many dont have the same hope for Smith. I still feel that Smith has more upside and potential to be an impact player. He has the athletic ability few have. Whether he puts it together is as big question. Last years play pushed him back a few steps. We shall see, I hope they both put it together and we see both of them on the floor experiencing success.

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10/14/2020  8:55 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

Monk is a shooting specialist who can’t shoot. Smith is a poor man’s Marbury

Opinions are like you know what. Fact is that Frank has not averaged better numbers than Smith. No matter how the skewed eye test want it to be so. Misread the post. Thought Payton was the other player you thought Frank was better than.

Look, it is futile asking Frank loyalists to admit he is not as good as they think he is. However, I would agree that last year he showed more signs of becoming what some think he is. My call was that he was just a role player. Nothing has changed my opinion. Does not mean that I do not want him to prove me wrong and become an important part of the team. Go Frank. Just do not understand why so many dont have the same hope for Smith. I still feel that Smith has more upside and potential to be an impact player. He has the athletic ability few have. Whether he puts it together is as big question. Last years play pushed him back a few steps. We shall see, I hope they both put it together and we see both of them on the floor experiencing success.

I think the problem I have with DSJ is ego and attitude. There's something about the character of players that either works or doesn't for me. And it shows on the court as well.

That's what skews eye tests.

The other thing that skews eye tests is effort, defense, humility, and other things.

I don't think anyone, including myself, has ever argued that DSJ doesn't have the physical tools.

There's no joy in advocating that one player or another needs to pack. Sure, yet another recursive "one more chance" but I'm not holding my breath.

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10/15/2020  9:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/15/2020  9:15 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:It’s really amazing how people lost their collective minds when we drafted Frank over Monk and DSJ. Frank actually has the potential to be better than both now.

He’s already better than both

Except for the last three years of stats and 2019 nerd analytics of who was best PG, you are right.

Monk is a shooting specialist who can’t shoot. Smith is a poor man’s Marbury

Opinions are like you know what. Fact is that Frank has not averaged better numbers than Smith. No matter how the skewed eye test want it to be so. Misread the post. Thought Payton was the other player you thought Frank was better than.

Look, it is futile asking Frank loyalists to admit he is not as good as they think he is. However, I would agree that last year he showed more signs of becoming what some think he is. My call was that he was just a role player. Nothing has changed my opinion. Does not mean that I do not want him to prove me wrong and become an important part of the team. Go Frank. Just do not understand why so many dont have the same hope for Smith. I still feel that Smith has more upside and potential to be an impact player. He has the athletic ability few have. Whether he puts it together is as big question. Last years play pushed him back a few steps. We shall see, I hope they both put it together and we see both of them on the floor experiencing success.

You think Frank sucks. He’s never been a good statistical player. Ok. However, DSJ and Monk also cannot shoot and neither one of them plays defense. In DSJ’s case he’s also a turnover machine

Monk coming out of college was supposed to be a lights out scorer let’s look at his percentages: in 3 seasons Monk has never shot better than 34% from 3 and he shot 28% last year which is abysmal


Oh and Monk also has a drug problem


And if I was such a “Frank loyalist” why am I screaming to trade for Chris Paul?

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