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Would you use next year's Dallas pick to trade up in this draft from 27?
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HofstraBBall
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9/10/2020  4:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:Let's say Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony is available in the middle of the draft 15-18 range. Would you move up from 27 using next year's Dallas pick by making the dallas pick lottery protected? If in the unlikely situation Dallas misses the playoffs next year than the pick carries over to the 2023 one. Draft Vassell (or Nesmith) with 8 and either Anthony or Lewis with a middle round pick and jump-start the rebuild by having the back-court of the future in place. And still have the 38th pick too.

C Robinson
PF Stretch 4
SF Barrett
SG Vassell
PG Anthony or Lewis

While grabbing Conley or another vet PG to mentor our rookie PG and playing Frank more at the wing. Thoughts?

Would not do that. Guess the question would be why you think Lewis and Anthony is that much better than who would be available at the 27 and worth giving up a pick for? For instance, I am hoping we pick Stanley at 27, who I think is better than either Lewis or Anthony. Same can be said about Ransey and Williams who seem to be slotted in that range. Imo, giving up a draft pick in a year where players are so close in talent level is bad use of your assets.

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EwingsGlass
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9/11/2020  9:15 PM
I think there will be opportunities to trade that Dallas pick for an earlier first round pick this year. I think there will be a number of teams trying to get out of this draft, such that you should be able to move up and possibly keep the 27 pick to use elsewhere. If I were cash strapped and trying to resign Donovan Mitchell... I’d take a Dallas pick next year for my pick this year straight up, for example.

It begs the question what the value of midlevel picks will actually be. I think many teams will have to use cash management as a factor in their decisions. Whether that means drafting foreign players and keeping them overseas or trading picks for other assets.

Not sure what the story with KP is, but if he’s down, Doncic is still good, but that team should have a worse season than this year. Also worth thinking about.

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9/12/2020  1:04 AM
Man I feel you, I’m very high on Kira/Maxey but it’s pretty risky trading away a pick in what’s likely gonna be a stocked draft. Maybe there’s some players we can trade / bad contract we can stomach instead
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9/12/2020  1:53 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
It begs the question what the value of midlevel picks will actually be. I think many teams will have to use cash management as a factor in their decisions. Whether that means drafting foreign players and keeping them overseas or trading picks for other assets.

It's a good question you are asking here. The problem is no one can project how the college game will go. Part of the NBA feeder system is that draftees have been playing uninterrupted organized ball their entire lives. So universities will have a hard time keeping the college game going if students can't even go to class normally. This will have long term ripples into the international basketball community. The high profile college sports generate revenue to the point where they pay for the less profitable sports. In many cases, it's full subsidization. While losing the Judo and badminton teams don't kill basketball directly, it kills the feeder system for the Olympics and international games that do support the NBA indirectly. Talent scarcity for the NBA requires scouring the entire world for good talent. The international basketball community is integral to do this.

So a pick in the next two drafts might be insanely more valuable than a pick three years from now. OKC has a ****load of picks, but we also don't know what the college game will look like in 5 years.

You also have young guys now in a position to be idle. That's ****ing dangerous. Many pro athletes or prospects would spiral without a formalized structure to shape their lives. Think of a horny and bored college athlete without a schedule and hangs out with the next JR Smith type teammate?

Without the college game, there would need to be a "Showcase" league for players who can't play the college game. The NBA lowering the age requirement is another thing that will spur this. However a showcase type league would force the NBA to employ these players. Which leads to the tricky issue of service time and reasonable accomodation ( you need to house, feed and give medical care to all involved) Eventually you'll have a player who will get a legal team and challenge the current draft system, which relies on amateur to pro transition, not paid employee to pro transition.

George Hill might have also inadvertently bombed the college game. I don't see a return to March Madness, but now college teams face the risk, that even if they restart play, that there will be a walkout over the next shooting in their timeline. The college game does not operate the way the NBA does in terms of discipline. College kids will emulate their pro counterparts and this would have a destabilizing impact on the college game, their network contracts, then the NBA network contracts then the NBA itself.

This is a weak draft. But it might be the last draft for a long time that operates under traditional "cost certainty"

Long story short, the Knicks are a cash rich team. Given the league will be forced to have major roster increases across the board for the pandemic, the Knicks should buy as many late 2nds as possible. And offer more money to UDFAs than what market forces would typically dictate.

As for the league financially, the biggest concerns are

A) Immediately, the tax line falling.
B) Medium term, the risk of financial collapse of some franchises ( I think the Jazz might be ****ed) and dilution of the playoffs to hedge against the loss of playoff game count/revenue
C) Long term, the double hit of losing gate receipts plus getting totally hammered on the next TV deal which will decrease valuation of all NBA teams

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9/12/2020  9:48 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Let's say Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony is available in the middle of the draft 15-18 range. Would you move up from 27 using next year's Dallas pick by making the dallas pick lottery protected? If in the unlikely situation Dallas misses the playoffs next year than the pick carries over to the 2023 one. Draft Vassell (or Nesmith) with 8 and either Anthony or Lewis with a middle round pick and jump-start the rebuild by having the back-court of the future in place. And still have the 38th pick too.

C Robinson
PF Stretch 4
SF Barrett
SG Vassell
PG Anthony or Lewis

While grabbing Conley or another vet PG to mentor our rookie PG and playing Frank more at the wing. Thoughts?

Would not do that. Guess the question would be why you think Lewis and Anthony is that much better than who would be available at the 27 and worth giving up a pick for? For instance, I am hoping we pick Stanley at 27, who I think is better than either Lewis or Anthony. Same can be said about Ransey and Williams who seem to be slotted in that range. Imo, giving up a draft pick in a year where players are so close in talent level is bad use of your assets.

Yeah you would have to really believe in that players upside. I like Cassius Winston and Grant Riller at 27 for PG prospects. Both have a little of that VanVleet type talent. But Cole Anthony and Kira Lewis have really high upside, so I can’t say I’m not interested to trade up.

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9/12/2020  1:45 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Nope. No more trading away 1st round picks please.

why?

To a certain degree I understand where your coming from, because past regimes have made bad trades with 1st rnd picks, but they have also made horrible draft choices as well.

If there's an opportunity to upgrade your roster and jump start the culture change by trading a 1st rnd pick, you do it.

Frank, KP, Knox, and RJ are all top 10 picks, that's very discouraging..

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9/12/2020  8:43 PM
No, draft Vassell or Nesmith at 8. It’s a surprisingly deep draft
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9/12/2020  8:43 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOO

This

Philc1
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9/12/2020  8:44 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Nope. No more trading away 1st round picks please.
Well we are talking about using a surplus in picks to acquire players we want to draft this year. I think that's a little different.
I don't think so. These picks could end up being lottery picks. Need to keep every first round pick we have no matter how we got it.

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9/12/2020  9:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2020  9:53 PM
Maybe but I would only want to use it as part of a package to trade back into the lottery from #27. You got to hope a top 14 this year would equate a likely mid 20 next year....... Even then I would hope they would move the 2023 pick first
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Would you use next year's Dallas pick to trade up in this draft from 27?

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