BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you've been watching OKC's Dort in the playoffs (and I'm starting to suspect none of you are watching any playoff basketball due to the lack of discussions about it), it gives me a lot of hope for Frank- you can play great defense, and make a huge impact, even if you can't shoot very well at all

Oh, about those playoffs... Sucks. I seem to be saying that every time the NBA gets to this time of year

True, but for some reason writers seemed to forget that the past season or two- That’s why it needs to be re-stated EVERY year!

knicks1248 wrote:Your guards have to be one of the best (if not the best) player on your team, that means 20 to 30 points on any given night. You can not have a mediocre guards on your team and win anything. Now if we already had a coupe of scoring guards on the roster (like GSW, portalnd, OKC, Denver, and about 25 other teams) then perhaps..yes as a utility guy.

He's already gotten 3 coaches fired and didn't do much for the interim coach to get retained..New regime, New roster, New culture if you really talking about rebuilding

Both Frankie and Peyton (assuming he's resigned) are now (as someone upstream already posted) vets. Both are on the doorstep of coming into their own and both are fine defenders. All of which goes to say that a PG pick is not some kind of high priority especially if that pick is himself three years away from matching what we already have.

Last season Fitzfail made the mistake of diminishing Frankie with the wrong-headed idea that Randle was going to be a star and Peyton, being a sidekick, should get preference. And so that misguided thinking wholly F'd up the season and the position in the eyes of fans.

I happen to agree with the idea that Frankie should start the first 20 games and by then get assessed as to the success or failure of the enterprise. Personally, I think he will deliver. Peyton off the bench would ensure a seamless 1-2 punch. 25 - 30 pts a game between the two seems like a reasonable expectation.

Having Bullock healthy from the get go is critical as is resigning Dotson who has a nice chemistry with the likely returning core group of players. Dotson, too, will come in much healthier and conditioned than last year when he was recovering from shoulder surgery and still managed to play above average NBA ball.

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Frank is coming for you Knicks1248

He is 22, which is incredibly young skill.

He isn't an unreal talent like Lebron, and he is easily still 3-4 years away from being the best version of whatever he is going to become.

He's shown flashes of being a nice NBA player - but at this same time, Landry Fields had produced more on the court than he has.

Does anyone want to bet that Frank will outproduce Landry's rookie season when he was 22?

82 games - so right there, Frank is probably out!
31 minutes a game
.497% FG
.393% 3pt
6.4 rebounds
1.9 assists
1 steal
9.7 pts per game

Frank can be in competition to be the back up PG.

YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE THE PG depth on this roster heading into next year, or you're looking at another 20-30 win season.

If you start the year with Frank, then we're in big trouble.

franco12 wrote:If you go into this season believing you can count on Frank to be the starter, you are crazy and delusional.

He is 22, which is incredibly young skill.

He isn't an unreal talent like Lebron, and he is easily still 3-4 years away from being the best version of whatever he is going to become.

He's shown flashes of being a nice NBA player - but at this same time, Landry Fields had produced more on the court than he has.

Does anyone want to bet that Frank will outproduce Landry's rookie season when he was 22?

82 games - so right there, Frank is probably out!
31 minutes a game
.497% FG
.393% 3pt
6.4 rebounds
1.9 assists
1 steal
9.7 pts per game

Frank can be in competition to be the back up PG.

YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE THE PG depth on this roster heading into next year, or you're looking at another 20-30 win season.

If you start the year with Frank, then we're in big trouble.

Yes! Precisely... HE'S 22 AND has three years experience! How often do teams get that combination of opportunity?

Yes, he's NOT Lebron but he doesn't have to be AND he will still be 3-4 years away from being peak Smokes, *That* is exactly why you run with him. He will peak as Thibs' Knicks are peaking. Good lord, the stars actually align on this. This is true of Payton, Dotson,and a few others.

Landry Fields Had D'Ant, Smokes had Fizfail. LF wasn't a PG.

Call me delusional.

fitzfarm wrote:With that said I’ll be pissed if we trade him, it’ll be same old knicks type of move. This kid is a elite defender and his offense is coming, if the season wasn’t cut short I think we would have seen a breakout on offense. I think Tom T can unlock something special

Have to agree. I was not a Frank fan and thought DSJR would be a better pick. However, see no one else in the draft that are ahead of Frank and for that matter Dennis (If he gets back to Mavs form). Feel it is best to shoot to draft best player available and/or best shooter available.

In terms of trading Frank, depends on the deal. If we are being offered a top 15 pick, it would be something to consider. If he is part of a package for a proven star, then I think you have to take the risk. Although again, think Frank has come along nicely and will probably break out in the next few years.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:With that said I’ll be pissed if we trade him, it’ll be same old knicks type of move. This kid is a elite defender and his offense is coming, if the season wasn’t cut short I think we would have seen a breakout on offense. I think Tom T can unlock something special

Have to agree. I was not a Frank fan and thought DSJR would be a better pick. However, see no one else in the draft that are ahead of Frank and for that matter Dennis (If he gets back to Mavs form). Feel it is best to shoot to draft best player available and/or best shooter available.

In terms of trading Frank, depends on the deal. If we are being offered a top 15 pick, it would be something to consider. If he is part of a package for a proven star, then I think you have to take the risk. Although again, think Frank has come along nicely and will probably break out in the next few years.

I really do feel that frank is going to break out soon, we kinda started to see it at the end of the season before the shutdown. Frank’s defense makes me hesitant to trade, with the offensive potential to overpower opponents with his size. He has great form on his shot, to me it’s only a matter of time before it starts going in at higher percentages.

I get it man my cousin is a knicks fanatic as well and was begging for DSJR.if he can get his **** together DSJR has all the tools,and is super young as well. I still think we can’t give up on the kids even knox’s ... plus we’re not winning any chips next year, I hope Tom gives the kids bulk minutes.

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:With that said I’ll be pissed if we trade him, it’ll be same old knicks type of move. This kid is a elite defender and his offense is coming, if the season wasn’t cut short I think we would have seen a breakout on offense. I think Tom T can unlock something special

Have to agree. I was not a Frank fan and thought DSJR would be a better pick. However, see no one else in the draft that are ahead of Frank and for that matter Dennis (If he gets back to Mavs form). Feel it is best to shoot to draft best player available and/or best shooter available.

In terms of trading Frank, depends on the deal. If we are being offered a top 15 pick, it would be something to consider. If he is part of a package for a proven star, then I think you have to take the risk. Although again, think Frank has come along nicely and will probably break out in the next few years.

I really do feel that frank is going to break out soon, we kinda started to see it at the end of the season before the shutdown. Frank’s defense makes me hesitant to trade, with the offensive potential to overpower opponents with his size. He has great form on his shot, to me it’s only a matter of time before it starts going in at higher percentages.

I get it man my cousin is a knicks fanatic as well and was begging for DSJR.if he can get his **** together DSJR has all the tools,and is super young as well. I still think we can’t give up on the kids even knox’s ... plus we’re not winning any chips next year, I hope Tom gives the kids bulk minutes.

That's why coaches and their staff get fired, we just saw this with our last 3 coaches...

yeah let the kids play, lose 50+ plus games, get the coach fired, lose another 50+, get the president fired, flip the roster, and round and round we go, just so we could see how frank, dsj and knox turn out.

we have lost 50+ games 6 of the last 7 season, you can't possible think a new regime can continue that and survive.

Yet you want Zach LeVine and Aaron Gordon. Cool.

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:With that said I’ll be pissed if we trade him, it’ll be same old knicks type of move. This kid is a elite defender and his offense is coming, if the season wasn’t cut short I think we would have seen a breakout on offense. I think Tom T can unlock something special

Have to agree. I was not a Frank fan and thought DSJR would be a better pick. However, see no one else in the draft that are ahead of Frank and for that matter Dennis (If he gets back to Mavs form). Feel it is best to shoot to draft best player available and/or best shooter available.

In terms of trading Frank, depends on the deal. If we are being offered a top 15 pick, it would be something to consider. If he is part of a package for a proven star, then I think you have to take the risk. Although again, think Frank has come along nicely and will probably break out in the next few years.

I really do feel that frank is going to break out soon, we kinda started to see it at the end of the season before the shutdown. Frank’s defense makes me hesitant to trade, with the offensive potential to overpower opponents with his size. He has great form on his shot, to me it’s only a matter of time before it starts going in at higher percentages.

I get it man my cousin is a knicks fanatic as well and was begging for DSJR.if he can get his **** together DSJR has all the tools,and is super young as well. I still think we can’t give up on the kids even knox’s ... plus we’re not winning any chips next year, I hope Tom gives the kids bulk minutes.

That's why coaches and their staff get fired, we just saw this with our last 3 coaches...

yeah let the kids play, lose 50+ plus games, get the coach fired, lose another 50+, get the president fired, flip the roster, and round and round we go, just so we could see how frank, dsj and knox turn out.

we have lost 50+ games 6 of the last 7 season, you can't possible think a new regime can continue that and survive.

I doubt we loose 50 games with our line up. Before the lock down you could see the chemistry starting to build.... the biggest issue on the L’s was we had a new team every year guys take time to build chemistry hard to build when you have Mostly new guys on the roster every year. As the roster stands now + 2 first round picks with a good coach this team probably sneaks into the playoffs. Tom T will get the most out of frank, Knox, Barrett, Mitch and evening randle.

If you can find me a new regime that hired an entire new coaching staff that didn't flip the entire roster, i would say your right.

If the team was a playoff team that couldn't get out of the 2nd round, then perhaps you make a trade like derozen for kawhi, but when your dealing with a team that has develop so many losing bad habits, you going to be hard press to keep that team together.

Just imagine we drafted Bargiani, who always showed flashes of greatness for 6 straight seasons, would it be a good idea to keep hanging on to him because after a few good games you think he's turning the corner...we traded for him because of those same flashes,not knowing that he was who he was..that's sort of how I look at frank, a few good offensive games here and there, but for the most part he is who he is, A player who will defer 8 out of 10 times.

lets be patient