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Knicks considering all options for PG, will consider trading for Ball, Bertans is in their radar.
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9/13/2020  1:11 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Its expected the the knick will go after Bertans in the offseason


Doing the rough math in my head, I suspect Bertans would only garner Knicks interest as a sign and trade. The AAV would be 12-13 million and it would be a probable 3 year deal with a team option with buyout for a 4th year.

Perry signed a lot of those power forwards a year ago for the purpose of seeing if they could be come salary filler in a trade.

Given trends in the college game ( even though we don't know when college ball comes back) I'd say to avoid signing Bertans. Shooting is valued, but we are edging into a new generation of upcoming players where long range shooting was seen as the new normal for every prospect. Case in point, Jason Giambi's dad wanted him to hit left handed ( despite being a right handed thrower) because lefty hitters, as well as LHP, were so scarce in MLB during Giambi's childhood. Which is why you'd see guys like Dave Parker last so long at the end of their career. When Giambi reached the show, the proliferation of switch hitters and lefty batters increased as Giambi's dad was not the only one to see the trend. When Steph Curry broke out and was seen as a weapon, that started the clock on younger generations and their coaches prizing long range shooting in a different way. The league will start to see a shift in good shooters as the rule and not the exception.

On a 3 to 4 year deal, Bertans bread and butter could be devalued as a league trend half way through his deal. Not devalued on the court, but in terms of ever increasing supply of effective long range shooters in each successive draft.

So what's the next trend that will become a differentiator and young kids will adopt? Defense. But then we'll have traded away our one elite defender in Frank if some on this board have their way, b/c at 22 Frank should be jettisoned for spare change and a bag of balls.

Frank fits one half of what the current and what i feel will be the trend in the foreseeable future. Combo guards/players that are athletic and can defend, play multiple positions and shoot the three. Feel it has been the goal for most teams since the success shown by Golden State. If you look at some of the most successful teams currently, they all have players that can play multiple positions. They all have athletic rosters that play fast and can shoot the three. They typically have three or four athletic, long, good scoring players on the floor at all times. Reason why I feel that we should be targeting those type of players in the draft and FA and stop focusing on the need for a average traditional PG. Feel the focus should be on adding athletic multi dimensional 6'6 to 6'9 guys that can also shoot the ball or play at a high speed. Reason why I like guys like Toppin, Vassell, Okoro, Stanley, Precious, Stewart and Williams over some of the PG's in the draft. And why I would prefer the same formula be used in FA over a guy like Bertans. Now if your able to find the kid that also has or can develop a consistent 3pt shot, then that's a superstar in the current and future NBA.

Spot on. The myopic obsession about drafting a PG is a set of blinders that makes no sense anymore.

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9/13/2020  1:12 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
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Jimbo5 wrote:It seems like anther former Lakers lottery may find his way to the knick, reports says knick might consider another non-shooter at point. Maybe its a buy low situation or it shows how much they believe in the development staff they have assemble, maybe the former, if its the latter then i guess, that means they are confident in developing Franks shooting and wont look for a new PG.

Its expected the the knick will go after Bertans in the offseason, but just like FVV, other teams like the suns and the hawks will be aggressively trying to sign him.

Im not sure i feel with Lonzo, there might be hope with his shooting as shown by his performance before the bubble, i guess if the price is right, DSJ and second rounders or the second of the Mav's 1st round pick?

Im happy if we can get Bertans here

He shot 37.5% from 3 tis season, his shot starting going in

Bertans is an interesting topic. Seems like a guy that teams that do not have them want but teams that do have him just are not fighting to keep. Think it comes down to price. Hopefully the Knicks do not repeat their past and pay the hyped up price for someone that, once you get past the shinny appearance, may just turn out to be a limited role player.

This is where I hope all the promising additions to scouting, coaching, FO pay off. That we have some form of intelligence out there beating the bushes and figuring what constitutes good moneyball. And then bringing it together. I hope!

Exactly. (see: Miami)

Knicks considering all options for PG, will consider trading for Ball, Bertans is in their radar.

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