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Allanfan20
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8/26/2020  6:20 PM
I wonder if this will go on long enough to cancel the playoffs. I changed my stance on this. I would now support this.
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8/26/2020  6:37 PM
what does this accomplish?

I'm sorry but it quote like this that is the reason they have to go and do something it just can't be another black man shot in the back - Let's play ball! I'm glad they are lending their name and power to visibility and hopefully change!

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8/26/2020  6:45 PM
I happened to flip on the TV just in time to watch this:

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8/26/2020  7:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/26/2020  7:40 PM
smackeddog wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.

Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.

I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.

Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.

You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.

Let's look at the practical fallout

1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.

2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.

Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.

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8/26/2020  11:30 PM
We’ve had police issues for decades
It’s disturbing to hear people say a few bad apples—I don’t think it’s true — it’s systematic dysfunction. I have a gun I have power. I’m gonna yield it. No one should have to be scared of the cops.I fully understand that being a police officer is not easy but business as usual has to end.
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8/26/2020  11:32 PM


The Bucks make a statement


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8/26/2020  11:59 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.

Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.

I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.

Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.

You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.

Let's look at the practical fallout

1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.

2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.

Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.

Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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8/27/2020  1:27 AM
Knicks release a statement that they agree with postponement of games.. they so full of **** since they not even playing.. typical bad PR moves, jumping on coat tails to try to redeem their
non-statement after the George Floyd murder.
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8/27/2020  2:01 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games. Win Stupid Prizes.

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8/27/2020  3:16 AM
TLover wrote:Knicks release a statement that they agree with postponement of games.. they so full of **** since they not even playing.. typical bad PR moves, jumping on coat tails to try to redeem their
non-statement after the George Floyd murder.

Their statement is fine, this isn't about Dolan- people seem happy to hijack this issue to try and make it about Dolan, it's kind of lame.

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8/27/2020  7:19 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games.


Police need to come up with a better way to handle even dire situations. What kind of justification can u use for pumping 7 bullets into someone’s back? That’s SEVEN bullets. Was the police concerned for his own safety if there was an actual knife involved and the fellow seemed to be attempting to si ply flee— well we can all ask ourselves this question—this guy prob has a wife and kids at home — but 7 shots to the back? God forbid u use a gun. Why can’t they aim one shot at his lower leg if it’s deemed momentarily necessary— why is it lethal force every time. Also there was a few cops there. How about a hard ground tackle? Unless a guys pointing a gun at you. Yiu can t pump 7 bullets into their back.and it makes no sense to bring up the guys past. It wouldn’t have mattered if he was an alter boy.
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8/27/2020  8:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  8:13 AM
There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

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8/27/2020  8:28 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games. Win Stupid Prizes.

We have reached the stage of zero tolerance. This is the environment that society has created here in America today. Which leadership figures & law enforcement have no one else to blame but themselves. Blake's individual credibility isn't going to matter just like George Floyd's didn't. The situation didn't call for him to get paralyzed. Just like the situation didn't call for Floyd to get suffocated to death. The history and continual trend of black people getting murdered by the police for every reason imaginable dating back centuries has lead to this.

The knife was also not in his possession and was on a floor board in his car on the passenger side which he was no where near. Only brought up as an after the fact in order to cover asses. Non of the officers present had on a body camera since the Kenosha police department has basically refused to comply with those standards of accountability.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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8/27/2020  8:36 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games. Win Stupid Prizes.

We have reached the stage of zero tolerance. This is the environment that society has created here in America today. Which leadership figures & law enforcement have no one else to blame but themselves. Blake's individual credibility isn't going to matter just like George Floyd's didn't. The situation didn't call for him to get paralyzed. Just like the situation didn't call for Floyd to get suffocated to death. The history and continual trend of black people getting murdered by the police for every reason imaginable dating back centuries has lead to this.

The knife was also not in his possession and was on a floor board in his car on the passenger side which he was no where near. Only brought up as an after the fact in order to cover asses. Non of the officers present had on a body camera since the Kenosha police department has basically refused to comply with those standards of accountability.

Newyork
Where is/was your outrage on gun violence when the little 5 year old boy had his brains blown in in front of his home while his sisters watched? Why not post about that situation?

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BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

There isn't a history or trend of cases to go on that matches the circumstances of Cannon Hinnant to make this comparable. The person who did so was also captured, and will be charged to the full extent of the law. Protest work towards people or entities that rely on credibility for their image/income. There is no protest that is going to reach a person like the person that shot Cannon Hinnant in the head. Which is why that talking point brought up is more ignorance trying to get filtered into real conversation.

Taking a "stronger look into gun violence or any violence" goes hand in hand with attempting re-allocate funds towards social programs and education aka "Defund the police". Looking to build stronger more educated communities which in turn will reduce violent crime and gun violence. Because its targeting the root and not only criminalizing people after the fact which is a business in itself. The voting campaign that has been established as well has those same principals in mind. The overall effect will attack gun violence and violence in general.

In the 90s the media was big on capturing any black person that committed a crime. This has not lead to reduced crime rates and violence due to "awareness".

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Newyork
Where is/was your outrage on gun violence when the little 5 year old boy had his brains blown in in front of his home while his sisters watched? Why not post about that situation?

I did, just wasn't on here, but on FB.

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8/27/2020  8:54 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games. Win Stupid Prizes.

We have reached the stage of zero tolerance. This is the environment that society has created here in America today. Which leadership figures & law enforcement have no one else to blame but themselves. Blake's individual credibility isn't going to matter just like George Floyd's didn't. The situation didn't call for him to get paralyzed. Just like the situation didn't call for Floyd to get suffocated to death. The history and continual trend of black people getting murdered by the police for every reason imaginable dating back centuries has lead to this.

The knife was also not in his possession and was on a floor board in his car on the passenger side which he was no where near. Only brought up as an after the fact in order to cover asses. Non of the officers present had on a body camera since the Kenosha police department has basically refused to comply with those standards of accountability.


Exactly. So what he had a knife. He told police he had the knife and they retrieved it. I have three different sharp edge tools in my car. It's not out of the ordinary. The optics are a that law enforcement used way more force than what was needed or justified.
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8/27/2020  8:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  9:13 AM
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smackeddog wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.

Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.

I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.

Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.

You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.

Let's look at the practical fallout

1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.

2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.

Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.

Your post, especially the bolded is insensitive, lacks empathy, and is offensive! Not one time in your post do address the sickness of systemic racism running rampart through this country or the issue of police officers killing unarmed black men, women and children. The bolded shows a complete disregard to Black Lives. So, we are to sit back and allow black bodies to pile up and the widows and children are supposed to sift through their dead loved ones in search of a teacher or a doctor to hinge our protest or agenda too?! How insensitive does this sound?! Any black man, woman or child is disposable and we shoudn't bat an eye if they are killed by a police officer, who swore to protect and serve, if they have been arrested or suspended from school at point in their lives?!

Breonna Taylor, a black women, who was a medical technician, was killed while she slept by police officers who have yet to be charged! Is she good enough?!

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Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?
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8/27/2020  9:01 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Let em fight. Words need to be heard. You have a generation of players that would give up this stage in their careers to deliver a message. I don’t care about the contracts or the unions. I’m listening. I hope most of us are. It’s clear that things need to change. I embrace the NBAs role in addressing this and hope that it escalates further. We can sort out the dollars after. What I heard really came from Kenny Smith. Can you imagine how these players must be feeling to take a position like this? To forfeit a game. They have my attention.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&mode=details

The Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) is investigating an officer involved shooting (OIS) in Kenosha, Wis. that occurred on the evening of Sunday, August 23, 2020.

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

When DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public.

People can argue the rights or wrongs of what the NBA players are doing, but here is a reality of how the media works and how our society works. Much of impact of what the NBA players are doing will rest on Jacob Blake's individual credibility and the optics of this situation. If the NBPA wanted to move forward and hang it's hat on some specific social justic related case to further some goal, then OK. However picking Blake to be the fulcrum of their protest was a bad decision. The optics are that this guy is a wife beater with outstanding arrest warrants, whose wife called the police for help, refused to comply with police officers multiple times, in a progressive chain of the use of force continuum, and was wielding a knife. We don't know if he had a mental health record. We don't know what a toxicology report will show.

OK, from a financial standpoint, the NBA, no professional American sport really, cannot sustain this kind of financial attrition for this duration with no end in sight. There's a tipping point where NBA owners will be forced to borrow against the equity of their franchises/arenas/etc to deal with their current expenses. This is not just a discussion about the loss of another season, if the league loses it's TV contract, we are talking about the death of the whole sport.

The irony? If NBA players can't play in the NBA, they don't have a ton of choices. Real Madrid. CSKA Moscow. But those are not financially stable.

You know the one basketball league outside the NBA that is financially stable and growing? The Chinese Basketball Association.

So, the unintentional comedy factor rises here. The NBPA might have bet all its cards to defend a wife beater then spur the collapse of the entire NBA, because of being "woke", while avoiding the clear elephant in the room with China and the NBA, only to end up having the best basketball players in the world play in China.

That would be the cherry on top to a season so surreal, you couldn't write a fantasy story more bizarre than what actually happened this year.

And the Golden State Warriors keep winning. They aren't even in the bubble. They are safe at home, chilling and keeping their mouths shut. And let's not discount the reality that our beloved Knicks are probably very lucky they aren't in the bubble either.

Meanwhile, the WNBA also went on strike apparently, and no one gives a ****. The last people on the planet who should be missing games are the WNBA teams. They have lost money every year in operation and only survive by being subsidized by a league and it's ownership taking record losses never seen before.

Play Stupid Games. Win Stupid Prizes.

We have reached the stage of zero tolerance. This is the environment that society has created here in America today. Which leadership figures & law enforcement have no one else to blame but themselves. Blake's individual credibility isn't going to matter just like George Floyd's didn't. The situation didn't call for him to get paralyzed. Just like the situation didn't call for Floyd to get suffocated to death. The history and continual trend of black people getting murdered by the police for every reason imaginable dating back centuries has lead to this.

The knife was also not in his possession and was on a floor board in his car on the passenger side which he was no where near. Only brought up as an after the fact in order to cover asses. Non of the officers present had on a body camera since the Kenosha police department has basically refused to comply with those standards of accountability.

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Where is/was your outrage on gun violence when the little 5 year old boy had his brains blown in in front of his home while his sisters watched? Why not post about that situation?

when that happens every week maybe you will see some
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