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Glad we are contemplating him (doubt he comes here, Hawks would be a great fit for him), and VanVleet

Jimbo5 wrote:I think this is where Leon Rose and World Wide Wes come into play, FVV and Bertans is a tier 2 or 3 type free agents, if they can lures them here maybe we can start believing they can bring a superstar to the knicks in next year's blockbuster free agent class. This offseason will be a good dry run to see what they can bring to the table.

I would like for them too draft Okoro and sign Bertans in free agency. Then give Frank and DSJ a chance can o be the point guard of the team.(Frank as starter, DSJ the back up)

Problem is then you have starting lineup with only 1 shooter, I don't think that can work

smackeddog wrote:Update from Macri:

Not that it’s very important today, but I’m told to take yesterday’s report that the Knicks are expected to pursue Davis Bertans with a grain of salt. This is not to say that New York wouldn’t be interested in his services - I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t be - but I have the sense that they know Washington is willing to overpay to keep him (especially since they refused to part with him at the deadline) and that this may not be of interest. Remember always: player agents have every incentive to create the illusion of a bidding war for their client’s services.

That’s not to say the Knicks don’t have getting a stretch-four as a high priority. As Ian Begley has reported for months, I’m told it is.

(I've lost the link but I think it's on the Knicks film school website and his newsletter (which I'd definitely recommend subscribing too- it's free and very informative for all Knick fans)

Good news we're interested in a stretch 4- How many are out there in FA? I can only think of:

Longer term investments (ie 3 years+ deals):
Bertans
Jerami Grant
Marcus Morris (seems to be playing well in the playoffs for the Clips, won't settle for a 1 year deal again)
Gallo (will be expensive- turned down big numbers offered by Miami)

Short term stop gaps (could maybe get away with a 1-2 year deal):
Milsap (links to Perrin, over 41% from three, 35 years old)
Ibaka (his name was mentioned months ago, hehad a resurgence in a contract year, but mainly from moving to C spot. shot 39% from 3, 30 years old) I think Raptors stump up to keep their team together another year.
Saric (seems to be in steep decline)

The question is, is the intent to bring in a stretch- 4 to start and move Randle to the bench, or just bring in a role player for a backup role? If the latter is the case, Patrick Patterson is kentucky guy and true stretch 4. There's a few of these deep reserve types out there.

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Update from Macri:

Not that it’s very important today, but I’m told to take yesterday’s report that the Knicks are expected to pursue Davis Bertans with a grain of salt. This is not to say that New York wouldn’t be interested in his services - I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t be - but I have the sense that they know Washington is willing to overpay to keep him (especially since they refused to part with him at the deadline) and that this may not be of interest. Remember always: player agents have every incentive to create the illusion of a bidding war for their client’s services.

That’s not to say the Knicks don’t have getting a stretch-four as a high priority. As Ian Begley has reported for months, I’m told it is.

(I've lost the link but I think it's on the Knicks film school website and his newsletter (which I'd definitely recommend subscribing too- it's free and very informative for all Knick fans)

Good news we're interested in a stretch 4- How many are out there in FA? I can only think of:

Longer term investments (ie 3 years+ deals):
Bertans
Jerami Grant
Marcus Morris (seems to be playing well in the playoffs for the Clips, won't settle for a 1 year deal again)
Gallo (will be expensive- turned down big numbers offered by Miami)

Short term stop gaps (could maybe get away with a 1-2 year deal):
Milsap (links to Perrin, over 41% from three, 35 years old)
Ibaka (his name was mentioned months ago, hehad a resurgence in a contract year, but mainly from moving to C spot. shot 39% from 3, 30 years old) I think Raptors stump up to keep their team together another year.
Saric (seems to be in steep decline)

The question is, is the intent to bring in a stretch- 4 to start and move Randle to the bench, or just bring in a role player for a backup role? If the latter is the case, Patrick Patterson is kentucky guy and true stretch 4. There's a few of these deep reserve types out there.

I'm hoping it means Randle is being traded (again I feel bad saying this as he seems a nice person- it's not about him as player, it's about the fit)

His fit is terrible but he's a Kentucky guy and a CAA guy (2 reasons he will get some preferential treatment) and i think there's probably a concern that moving him would involve attaching picks or taking on a long-term deal. He has one year left. Maybe they can use this opportunity to see what he's like as a backup 4/5 for a year. His poor fit is due to playing PF between Mitch and RJ. As a 6th man where he can be the focal point of the offense, fit is less of a concern.

smackeddog wrote:Knicks fan TV podcast said he'd heard a rumor fr a reliable source that we were aiming to trade randle for conley and a future pick- don't know why jazz would do that but I'd take it! Maybe they'd do it as its saves them $16mil next season. Wonder if conley's playoff resurgence changes things

I would be cool with this trade.

As well as with signing Bertans, for as long as the price tag is reasonable (not the $20m plus people are willing to shell out for FVV). Maybe this will bring back the Latvian night at the Garden that was so abruptly cancelled in the wake of the KP trade (was there ever more inept and pathetic pandering to the team's star?).

unstopaball12 wrote:Makes sense for utah as Clarkson fits better with Mitchell vs. Conley.

Don't mind the trade as Conley is close to expiring and gives us stability at point

And it means we wouldn't do the CP3 trade!

EwingsGlass wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Knicks fan TV podcast said he'd heard a rumor from a reliable source that we were aiming to trade randle for conley and a future pick- don't know why jazz would do that but I'd take it! Maybe they'd do it as its saves them $16mil next season. Wonder if conley's playoff resurgence changes things

This would be a good deal for us IMO. Conley is solid choice to play alongside the guys you want to develop, like Barrett. Great veteran presence with commitment to defense. Taking on that salary isn't really an issue for us. I prefer this to the Chris Paul deal, I think.

Me too, his salary is completely off the books after next season, where as CP3's deal is higher and a year longer.

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Knicks fan TV podcast said he'd heard a rumor from a reliable source that we were aiming to trade randle for conley and a future pick- don't know why jazz would do that but I'd take it! Maybe they'd do it as its saves them $16mil next season. Wonder if conley's playoff resurgence changes things

This would be a good deal for us IMO. Conley is solid choice to play alongside the guys you want to develop, like Barrett. Great veteran presence with commitment to defense. Taking on that salary isn't really an issue for us. I prefer this to the Chris Paul deal, I think.

Me too, his salary is completely off the books after next season, where as CP3's deal is higher and a year longer.

The salary only matters to me if we have a serious shot at Greak Freak, which seems like fantasy at this point.

Worse than us having no shot at the greek freak is his landing spots could be: Miami Heat (think Riley's plan is Butler, Oladipo and Giannis), Dallas Mavs, Golden State (they'd have to trade whoever they draft this year, along with Twolves 2021 pick and Wiggins)