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NYKBocker
Posts: 38411 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
![]() No Lonzo and his broke shot.
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
![]() NYKBocker wrote:No Lonzo and his broke shot. He shot 37.5% from 3 this year and has improved it every year so far |
Uptown
Posts: 31322 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
![]() smackeddog wrote:NYKBocker wrote:No Lonzo and his broke shot. This...I'm wondering if people actually watched Lonzo this year. His shooting form has been broken down and built back up. Dell Demps, Pels assistant deserves some credit for working with Ball. With Gentry out of a job, Demps may be looking for an assistant coaching job. We have seats available and shooters with broken shots. |
jskinny35
Posts: 21582 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2005 Member: #928 USA |
![]() If the deal is pick 6 for 13 and we get Lonzo Ball - you have to consider it as pre-bubble Ball was developing nicely. He reminds me of a Rubio type that plays fast, moves the ball well, plays defense and is starting to shoot reasonably well from deep. Agree with other posters that even if LaMelo is a better passer - his defense is very suspect and he plays much slower than his brother.
Yes we have Frank but a pre-bubble Lonzo at the point (Frank backing) with RJ would offer better floor spacing and certainly help Mitch (and maybe even Knox). And we can still get an available talent at 13? Edwards and Wiseman are redundant to the few positions we have filled (RJ and Mitch)... unless we think Haliburton or Hayes is that much better than what Lonzo already is - we should consider it. Not sure NOP wants to rid themselves of Ball that badly just because he struggled for 8 games during Covid... |
Uptown
Posts: 31322 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
![]() Coming out of this draft with Lonzo, Jah'mius Ramsey @ 13 and Jalen Smith/Tyler Bey @ 27, would be a serious upgrade in talent on our roster.
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technomaster
Posts: 23348 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2003 Member: #426 USA |
![]() If we strike out on the PG we want, I'm be up for the Lonzo Ball experiment. He made some quirky choices with his shooting form between high school and college.
He went from an 80% FT shooter in high school (165 out of 205) to a 67% in college, to a hot mess in the NBA (sub-50%!!!). What the heck! With 3 NBA seasons under his belt in the NBA, he's seemingly a little farther along at establishing himself as a starter-quality player in the NBA than Frank and DSJ. Is he better than Elfrid? Not sure - they're both triple-doubles waiting to happen but don't consistently impact winning. “That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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fwk00
Posts: 22162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/20/2015 Member: #6048 |
![]() technomaster wrote:If we strike out on the PG we want, I'm be up for the Lonzo Ball experiment. He made some quirky choices with his shooting form between high school and college. I would do a different deal - Knox, Smith, and a second rounder. I think the Knicks pick may be higher. I'd be looking for Avdija or Vassell instead of a PG. Either pick is a better development project than Knox, IMO. Failing landing either of those I'd look at a sign and trade of Dotson for either of Portland's Simon or Little both of whom are interesting. My greater hope would be a simple resigning of Dotson AND Avdija or Vassell. If the Knicks drop instead - sure swap first-rounders and move some ballast but I'm not sold on any of the Ball family because Ball. OH, and Smokes is at least as mature as Ball after 3 years. You all underestimate the Unicorn. Big mistake. |
GustavBahler
Posts: 42797 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
![]() Absolutely. Smart player who pushes the tempo, but more importantly, Ball's ability to excel in halfcourt play as well. Which is a problem we have with some of our younger players like Knox, DSJr, Frank. Barrett and Ball would be a high BBall IQ backcourt.
We also have a surplus of first and second round picks. Maybe not as high in the draft, but valuable, if the Knicks pick smart. |
Chandler
Posts: 26778 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
![]() great question
my first reaction was a hard no but then the references to Jason Kidd got me thinking and it got more complicated. I wouldn't reject it out of hand but also hope our talent people could distinguish between someone on the rise versus a lemon. I'm a big fan of BBIQ and he seems to check that box. Big issue is his shot (or lack thereof) Add to it that I'm not a big fan of having a roster full of 19 year old-types. they're all coming off their rookie contracts before (in many cases) you know if they're any good. So having some a slight bit older adds some leadership too (5)(7)
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27986 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
![]() TripleThreat wrote:Not quite a secret around the league, but I keep hearing the Pelicans would like to move up in the draft and move Lonzo Ball off the roster. Also no secret his father wants him in the largest market possible. While I do not mind the idea of trading down, I do not see a reason to add yet another wing that has issues shooting the basketball. Specially for one that I can't really say is better than Frank, Smith or Payton? Once you add all their so called positives. Feel the strategy, in a weak draft. should be to trade down for a couple more low first round picks. Give yourself a better chance at getting lucky. This draft does not have anyone that stands out past the top three. Not to mention Lamelo is not exactly a sure thing. Hopefully the Knicks look to pick up better shooters in free agency and try to do the same in the draft. They should not get caught up in drafting by positional needs but rather focus instead on best player available. Just don't think there are any PG's that are substantially better than the ones we had last year. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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