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We don’t have 1 player we can sit and say we can build w this guy
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Knixkik
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8/14/2020  8:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/14/2020  9:15 PM
Chandler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Chandler wrote:i think Barrett can be that guy. He needs to develop parts of his game but he's very tough minded and competitive. We need to keep him at the 2

If I was on the Knicks I might be willing to move Barrett to Pg. I said on another site 18 months ago I think if he could develop a better j he could be a Harden hybrid pg type

But Barrett also deters me from Lamelo ball— I don’t see synergy nor is the shooting anywhere good enough to have both.

He should be a wing, but play alongside a PG that can play off the ball. That is a big reason i value Haliburton so much. We need a plug and play PG that can knock down open shots, play D, and move the ball.

this is where I'm at. There are tons of top teams where the offense does not run through a pg: lakers, rockets, denver, bucks to name a few

you want a situation where the guy can handle the ball better than the opponent can defend that guy with the ball, and also want someone smart with good vision. i can totally see the offense running through RJ. I just want his FT% to improve (a lot) and his shooting to improve at least some and steadily

I wonder what it would take to get Monte Morris from Denver? He’s a free agent next year and I can’t see Denver paying him to remain stuck behind Murray. The fans and media have been calling for him to start alongside Murray over Harris. He’s a younger PG with a good bbiq, can knock down open shots, takes care of the ball and plays decent D. I’d give our late first round pick or a future pick for him. Such a great fit next to Barrett. Not a high upside guy but could be a good starting PG on a winning team if the plan is to run the offense thru a wing player.

I’m not particularly high on Ntilikina because of his confidence issues, but man if he can get his shooting to come around than on paper he’s a good fit with Barrett. He just needs to become a spot up threat.

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GustavBahler
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8/14/2020  8:57 PM
Chandler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Chandler wrote:i think Barrett can be that guy. He needs to develop parts of his game but he's very tough minded and competitive. We need to keep him at the 2

If I was on the Knicks I might be willing to move Barrett to Pg. I said on another site 18 months ago I think if he could develop a better j he could be a Harden hybrid pg type

But Barrett also deters me from Lamelo ball— I don’t see synergy nor is the shooting anywhere good enough to have both.

He should be a wing, but play alongside a PG that can play off the ball. That is a big reason i value Haliburton so much. We need a plug and play PG that can knock down open shots, play D, and move the ball.

this is where I'm at. There are tons of top teams where the offense does not run through a pg: lakers, rockets, denver, bucks to name a few

you want a situation where the guy can handle the ball better than the opponent can defend that guy with the ball, and also want someone smart with good vision. i can totally see the offense running through RJ. I just want his FT% to improve (a lot) and his shooting to improve at least some and steadily

Barrett might not be the player to build an offense around. Might not have the ability to put the team on his back at will, like a superstar. Believe RJ is the kind of leader you can build a team around. Which is just as important.

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8/15/2020  4:48 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:i think Barrett can be that guy. He needs to develop parts of his game but he's very tough minded and competitive. We need to keep him at the 2

With the way the NBA is played now (position-less and launching 40+ 3's per game) running like a track meet, load management.

Building around one or 2 players is not that important anymore when stars (young and old) are being traded, and requesting trades more than ever before

I think it's more important to build a deep 8 man roster, sort of like the Raptors.

The average contract in the NBA is like 3 yrs or under..Have look for yourself(https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html unless your a proven star.

That makes it much more easier to build a championship, rather than sit though 3 or 4 yrs hoping a guy develops into something special

It's true, the Raptors are so well-built. But still, Kawhi was a franchise player and led them last year, and Siakam stepped up to franchise player territory this year. Lowry and VanVleet are excellent 2nd and 3rd guys and obviously they are very deep. They have a lot of guys who compete defensively and a lot of guys that can shoot the 3.

You may have to look at RJ like The raptors looked at Derozen, great talent and a loyal player, but the team lacked that killer instinct, so they took a BIG BOY risk on kawhi, and it paid of handsomely...took a risk on Lowry and gave up a first round pick, something knicks fans cringed at the possibility of giving up another 1st round pick...

When lowry became available again, Mills was scared to death to pull the trigger because it would have included a 1st round pick (frank)

Imagine making that same mistake twice, which I felt we did by not trading FOR DLO..at least that would have secured the back court with RJ and DLO...



Your timeline suggests PHil would have paired Lowery with Melo? Since you bought it up, please tell us the roster when that trade was proposed, who was on the board of consideration. You gonna just self congratulate yourself for hindsight?
Also, we tilt from GSW as the model to Toronto......or any current defending champ as if your some clever ass savant who figured it out? Toronto has done a masterful job developing a core all while contending to the conf finals with Derozen. This is what teams try to do when you don’t have high draft picks. Build on the core.
Super important was the dump of Bargnani and while Poetl was no core piece he was part of the trade to SAS for Leonard.
We don’t have 1 player we can sit and say we can build w this guy

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