Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Either Wiseman or Nesmith

27 Either Payton Pritchard Saddiq Bey or Paul Reed

And we are gonna get a good nba player at 37 as well— need to see who falls.

Saddiq Bey will be gone before the 20s

Boston is looking to dump it's first rounders if they can shed money. They also want to dump Gordon Hayward. Maybe there's some opportunity there to be had.

There are rumblings out there regarding World Wide Wes and Tyrese Maxey. Whether the Knicks will be in a position to get him remains to be seen. Kira Lewis might make it to that range (doubtful) but if he does, would have a hard time seeing the Knicks pass him up.

Kira Lewis' name is the one I've been hearing the most buzz on in the past couple of weeks.

This is a bit of a complex draft in that Tier 4 could encompass like 15-20 players. It's not a strong draft, and the COVID19 stuff only makes it more chaotic. A lot of guys could drop to the Knicks in the late 20s. Though I don't see Saddiq Bey making it that far down.

To buy a very late first rounder, the Knicks would need to surrender their 2nd rounder this year in the mix to do it. That's another complication. Other teams are less likely to outright sell a pick as more as get paid to move back.

Ive been wondering how the FO will look at this draft, knowing that we might not see NCAA hoops for a while. Does mgmt see this as the last chance to load up on draft talent, which they've scouted recently? Do they look to Europe? What isnt supposed to be a deep draft might carry more weight than usual.

If there was a front office which Id lean towards believing they would trade up to draft a player, this would be the one. Guessing Rose and Wesley cant wait to make some deals. We'll see if its this draft.

2 of the top 5 Hs prospects have opted to forgo college and play in the G league- Jalen Green and Jonathan Kaminga. Not sure if the G League will have a bubble-season next year. Regardless, these kids have been scouted since HS, so they are well known within these organizations.

The top four prospects for next years draft are:
Cade Cunningham
Jalen Green
Johnathan Kaminga
Evan Mobley

If these four were available to be drafted this year, this would most likely be the top 4 picks! Cunningham and Green would definitely go 1 and 2! Next years draft will be better than this years draft, especially at the top.

Good point about G-League. Still have my doubts about a draft, possibly without college ball. The Tourney has often been where the cream rises to the top. Where picks go from relatively unknown to the lotto, 1st round.

Some good players get by the scouts. Cant watch how they handle packed arenas. Might be some good prospects available, but I dont see them being tested the same way. The prospects that go to G-League at least should have some decent competition to work on their game, but what about the rest? The FO might want picks in the bubble sooner than later. Hard to say, lots of variables.

BRIGGS wrote:

Martin — defense is a strength

I don't see defense as a strength; dude can't be one of the best shooters in the draft and have defense as a strength and not be a surefire top 5 pick.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Either Wiseman or Nesmith

27 Either Payton Pritchard Saddiq Bey or Paul Reed

And we are gonna get a good nba player at 37 as well— need to see who falls.

Saddiq Bey will be gone before the 20s

Boston is looking to dump it's first rounders if they can shed money. They also want to dump Gordon Hayward. Maybe there's some opportunity there to be had.

There are rumblings out there regarding World Wide Wes and Tyrese Maxey. Whether the Knicks will be in a position to get him remains to be seen. Kira Lewis might make it to that range (doubtful) but if he does, would have a hard time seeing the Knicks pass him up.

Kira Lewis' name is the one I've been hearing the most buzz on in the past couple of weeks.

This is a bit of a complex draft in that Tier 4 could encompass like 15-20 players. It's not a strong draft, and the COVID19 stuff only makes it more chaotic. A lot of guys could drop to the Knicks in the late 20s. Though I don't see Saddiq Bey making it that far down.

To buy a very late first rounder, the Knicks would need to surrender their 2nd rounder this year in the mix to do it. That's another complication. Other teams are less likely to outright sell a pick as more as get paid to move back.

I don't know why the Knicks wouldn't be first in line for this type of acquisition. Gordon has a 1 year $34M option and the Knicks have all sorts of expiring contracts to fit. Boston has picks 16, 26, 30, 46.

With Gordon they will be at $140M in salary (with rookies on top of that) and have to pay a lot in luxury. I have no idea what that would be.

Boston, I would presume, needs bigs. If one of Toppin, Onyeka Okongwu or Wiseman fall to them, and one of them is an obvious primary target for them, at say 6 what would Boston be willing to give up? Or should the Knicks even consider?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:
Chris Paul would only want to come here based on his relationship with Leon and Wes. I still believe Melo will likely end up here and he is obviously close with Melo, as well as very close with Reggie Bullock who will likely be on the roster next year. I don't see him wanting to stay in OKC beyond this year too.

Any player who would bypass a chance to compete on a championship team in order to come to a draft lottery franchise to babysit young players - you do not want such a guy around your young players.

It is one thing when an aging star stays with his career franchise out of loyalty, to help it overcome adversity and bring up young kids (like what Gianluigi Buffon did for Juventus). It is quite another to willingly switch to a team that has no hope of competing during one's career timeline.

Does it matter if CP3 wants to be on the Knicks or not? He's under contract and would be traded here

Knixkik wrote:My top 5 big board in this draft is

1 Ball
2 Edwards
3 Haliburton
4 Toppin
5 Nesmith

I don’t think anyone in this draft will be a superstar (Barrett would go 1 in this draft) but if we get one of these 5 guys we will get a good starter for the next 12+ years.

I am in a similar place. My preferred order of outcomes:

1 Edwards (the next Wade)
2 Nesmith + some nice asset (we need shooters)
3 Wiseman (the next Admiral, but not certain)
4 Haliburton (the next Derek Harper)
5 This draft sucks, trade the damn pick

BRIGGS wrote:Either Wiseman or Nesmith

27 Either Payton Pritchard Saddiq Bey or Paul Reed

And we are gonna get a good nba player at 37 as well— need to see who falls.

I’m going to bypass the Pgs up top even though I like Halliburton to either get my David Robinson like player or my Klay Thompson/ Nike Redd

I love Pritchard at 27 and drafting him there will give Frank the chance to start— though Pritchard is my guy for the future

There’s too many good names at 37 not to get some quality — draft is deep through 45 imho

New Pritchard draft video out— it’s fantastic and really showcases his skills— even compares him to FVV

Why do you rate Nesmith so much higher than Vassell? (Genuine question)

joec32033 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

IMO, not alot of this kids game is gonna translate into the NBA. He looks like Reddick shooting wise, and the rest of his game looks great in college but all I see is Steve Blake at the NBA level. His finishing at the rim is gonna take a huge hit. Those passes are mostly gonna get tipped. He is also gonna get Abused (capital A not a typo) on defense.

He actually moves very well with the ball. He’s strong too. If you look at film of FVV he looks like he would have no nba chance— now he’s a 20 mm $ player.
Nope this kid is real good. High end nba range. Good end to end speed complete understanding of angles( like Steve Nash) strong body tough great handle excellent passer smart savvy tough gamer That extended 3 point shot is a weapon.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Either Wiseman or Nesmith

27 Either Payton Pritchard Saddiq Bey or Paul Reed

And we are gonna get a good nba player at 37 as well— need to see who falls.

I’m going to bypass the Pgs up top even though I like Halliburton to either get my David Robinson like player or my Klay Thompson/ Nike Redd

I love Pritchard at 27 and drafting him there will give Frank the chance to start— though Pritchard is my guy for the future

There’s too many good names at 37 not to get some quality — draft is deep through 45 imho

New Pritchard draft video out— it’s fantastic and really showcases his skills— even compares him to FVV

Why do you rate Nesmith so much higher than Vassell? (Genuine question)

Nesmith shoots it like Glen Rice and moves around the court like Klay Thompson. Look how he finds spots— someone said rip Hamilton abd I agree but he’s 6-6 220 built like mike Redd. He’s a scorer abd vessel to me is an nba role player

Briggs you’re spot on. The Rice comp for Nesmith is pretty good. Vassell reminds me of Danny green a little bit. True role player. Nesmith has more upside to me.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Either Wiseman or Nesmith

27 Either Payton Pritchard Saddiq Bey or Paul Reed

And we are gonna get a good nba player at 37 as well— need to see who falls.

I’m going to bypass the Pgs up top even though I like Halliburton to either get my David Robinson like player or my Klay Thompson/ Nike Redd

I love Pritchard at 27 and drafting him there will give Frank the chance to start— though Pritchard is my guy for the future

There’s too many good names at 37 not to get some quality — draft is deep through 45 imho

New Pritchard draft video out— it’s fantastic and really showcases his skills— even compares him to FVV

Why do you rate Nesmith so much higher than Vassell? (Genuine question)

Nesmith shoots it like Glen Rice and moves around the court like Klay Thompson. Look how he finds spots— someone said rip Hamilton abd I agree but he’s 6-6 220 built like mike Redd. He’s a scorer abd vessel to me is an nba role player

Briggs you’re spot on. The Rice comp for Nesmith is pretty good. Vassell reminds me of Danny green a little bit. True role player. Nesmith has more upside to me.

Nesmith is the absolute best compliment to Barrett in this draft. I still want to try Barrett out as Pg but he can be a hybrid 1-2-3 no matter what

That’s the way I feel about Haliburton though too. He’s basically a 3&D PG that can play off the ball next to Barrett. I like Nesmith a lot but I think given Haliburton fit and being a CAA client he’s a very likely selection if available. For what it’s worth both Haliburton and Nesmith have reps as mature leaders in the locker room.

BRIGGS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

IMO, not alot of this kids game is gonna translate into the NBA. He looks like Reddick shooting wise, and the rest of his game looks great in college but all I see is Steve Blake at the NBA level. His finishing at the rim is gonna take a huge hit. Those passes are mostly gonna get tipped. He is also gonna get Abused (capital A not a typo) on defense.

He actually moves very well with the ball. He’s strong too. If you look at film of FVV he looks like he would have no nba chance— now he’s a 20 mm $ player.
Nope this kid is real good. High end nba range. Good end to end speed complete understanding of angles( like Steve Nash) strong body tough great handle excellent passer smart savvy tough gamer That extended 3 point shot is a weapon.

I see a backup, which isn't bad. But I wouldn't waste a first rounder in a guy who doesn't provide much versatility on the court on both ends of the floor. If th plan is grab him in the second round and stash him in the G-league, then it doesn't sound like a bad plan.

joec32033 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

IMO, not alot of this kids game is gonna translate into the NBA. He looks like Reddick shooting wise, and the rest of his game looks great in college but all I see is Steve Blake at the NBA level. His finishing at the rim is gonna take a huge hit. Those passes are mostly gonna get tipped. He is also gonna get Abused (capital A not a typo) on defense.

He actually moves very well with the ball. He’s strong too. If you look at film of FVV he looks like he would have no nba chance— now he’s a 20 mm $ player.
Nope this kid is real good. High end nba range. Good end to end speed complete understanding of angles( like Steve Nash) strong body tough great handle excellent passer smart savvy tough gamer That extended 3 point shot is a weapon.

I really don't know what all the Fred Van Vleet love. But that is another story. He screams slightly above average PG to me.

This kid may run end to end fast, but to me that is the NBA version of the 40 yard dash. He isn't quick, which IMO is more important. He can definitely shoot, and has some court awareness, but those passes in the NBA are getting tipped. He may be strong enough to finish in college, but I don't think he is even getting in the lane with those moves in the pros, and if he does he isn't really overpowering in college he is just strong enough to finish. In the NBA he isn't finishing.

I think you may be spot on on Nesmith, though.

Regarding FVV, there’s very few players in the league that have his combination of shooting, playmaking, and defensive versatility from the PG position. The question is do all of these qualities hold up to the same caliber outside of Toronto.