LegendD wrote:

A good game, no doubt. But there are a few things to note.
1) Many of those buckets were one on one vs shorter defenders, open 3s and putbacks. The Houston def nsive plan was to shutdown Luka and make everyone else beat them.
2) KP would not get those type of looks here. Even he did produce on that level, it's still unclear if his body could sustain that level of play. He looks stronger now, but only time will tell. I still have doubts about his ability to be a franchise player.
3) TJ Warren just dropped 50. Yes, he's talented, but it's obvious that stats are going to be inflated in the early going.
4) We're probably going to lose this deal, but it's still early. The next couple of seasons are going to be miserable if you react to every good game KP has. Trades like these are nuanced and the winners can't be announced just because one player has a stretch of good games.

Tim Jr's dad claims the Mavs originally contacted the Knicks to enquire about Tim Jr (remember at the time the rumours were them trading DSJr to us), and we asked them about KP. If so that's infuriating, because we could have done a separate Tim Jr to the Mavs trade to clear a contract and then traded KP either by himself or with Courtney Lee's contract to another team for a better return. If we'd already lined up Tim Jr for DSJ and Wes Mathews or DeAndre Jordan, essentially we just traded KP for 2 1sts (likely to be mid to late now) and $12 mil in cap space (which we ended up not needing) and either DeAndre Jordan or Wes Mathews expiring.

houston20 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:https://dailyknicks.com/2020/08/02/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-trade-mavs-originally-wanted/

Tim Jr's dad claims the Mavs originally contacted the Knicks to enquire about Tim Jr (remember at the time the rumours were them trading DSJr to us), and we asked them about KP. If so that's infuriating, because we could have done a separate Tim Jr to the Mavs trade to clear a contract and then traded KP either by himself or with Courtney Lee's contract to another team for a better return. If we'd already lined up Tim Jr for DSJ and Wes Mathews or DeAndre Jordan, essentially we just traded KP for 2 1sts (likely to be mid to late now) and $12 mil in cap space (which we ended up not needing) and either DeAndre Jordan or Wes Mathews expiring.

The mavs won't make the playoffs next year they just got lucky the spurs,blazers, and warriors had a bunch of injuries it won't happen next year .

Spurs are on the decline, they won’t make the playoffs next season, don’t see how the Mavs won’t make it unless Doncic or KP gets injured. Maybe if the season gets cancelled we get lucky

smackeddog wrote:

houston20 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:https://dailyknicks.com/2020/08/02/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-trade-mavs-originally-wanted/

Tim Jr's dad claims the Mavs originally contacted the Knicks to enquire about Tim Jr (remember at the time the rumours were them trading DSJr to us), and we asked them about KP. If so that's infuriating, because we could have done a separate Tim Jr to the Mavs trade to clear a contract and then traded KP either by himself or with Courtney Lee's contract to another team for a better return. If we'd already lined up Tim Jr for DSJ and Wes Mathews or DeAndre Jordan, essentially we just traded KP for 2 1sts (likely to be mid to late now) and $12 mil in cap space (which we ended up not needing) and either DeAndre Jordan or Wes Mathews expiring.

The mavs won't make the playoffs next year they just got lucky the spurs,blazers, and warriors had a bunch of injuries it won't happen next year .

Spurs are on the decline, they won’t make the playoffs next season, don’t see how the Mavs won’t make it unless Doncic or KP gets injured. Maybe if the season gets cancelled we get lucky

This is more about what KP haters hopes to happen so we don't continue to look like fools.

They are hating on KP for not buying into the tank culture.

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Whatever...they decide to trade him: Phil came to the same conclusion. However, trading KP for the package they got was just salt in an open wound. The only reason DSJ is even on the team is that team can't stomach the idea that the trade was that bad. And, whereas KP threw hissy-fits from the team's losing and dysfunction, DSJ is just an all around loser, sulking when he doesn't play etc. We sold way, way too low

Chandler wrote:
Trading KP was stupidity of epic proportions, and clearly the consequence of having an insecure front office in way over its head. Yes KP had his stupid ass moments too but so have a lot of other start and super star players. The list of stars who have their diva moments is very long. In this case i think it was further triggered by a dysfunctional franchise saying and doing stupid things -- i.e., i don't not believe him to be an intrinsic ahole. He didn't want to waste his prime years with a bunch of bozos. Dolan should have cleaned house. It's a lot harder to find the next KP then it was to replace the threes stooges we had at the time. The front office should have been the adults in that situation.

Whatever...they decide to trade him: Phil came to the same conclusion. However, trading KP for the package they got was just salt in an open wound. The only reason DSJ is even on the team is that team can't stomach the idea that the trade was that bad. And, whereas KP threw hissy-fits from the team's losing and dysfunction, DSJ is just an all around loser, sulking when he doesn't play etc. We sold way, way too low

Revisit the timeline. The beef was with Phil. We fired Phil, moved from Hornacek all while KP was in Rehab from his injury. Fiz never coached him. Basically everything was done. KP had the keys to the franchise.
Basically nothing I have read really defines why he left.
My take is basically aligns with Triple’s insistence that things are not always planned but reacted to. The egregious act as I see it was Knicks delayed extending KP’s money for two reasons:

1. Knicks have 10mm more to spend on talent.
2. Knicks get to see KP is not defective and rehab is smooth.

Remember the timeline. Remember KP does not step on the court and knicks publicly are not pressuring him at all. My take is knicks did not embrace him as the face of the franchise under and it was about money and when it was to come. With everyone’s back up the good faith from both sides was done. KP physically is fragile, has some form of anemic conditions, and is off the court immature. Knicks wait and see does not foster trust. Janis applies leverage he has to get his client to a team that wants him and will pay him.

What’s left? Blame. you have to go back to the moment that trade was done and realize the leverage and who had it.

fishmike wrote:Trading KP is the worst move this org will ever make and will hurt for a decade plus. Can we move on now?

Regrettable. Fans need an outlet. Knicks fired anyone associated with KP that lead to the divorce. Phil and subsequently Mills. Perry came aboard way after the issue was apparent.
End of the day is Knicks are successful in the aftermath and the picks will be a part of that.
KP in one season has looked good. Let’s see how he does in the next 4 years before we close the book.

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:
Trading KP was stupidity of epic proportions, and clearly the consequence of having an insecure front office in way over its head. Yes KP had his stupid ass moments too but so have a lot of other start and super star players. The list of stars who have their diva moments is very long. In this case i think it was further triggered by a dysfunctional franchise saying and doing stupid things -- i.e., i don't not believe him to be an intrinsic ahole. He didn't want to waste his prime years with a bunch of bozos. Dolan should have cleaned house. It's a lot harder to find the next KP then it was to replace the threes stooges we had at the time. The front office should have been the adults in that situation.

Whatever...they decide to trade him: Phil came to the same conclusion. However, trading KP for the package they got was just salt in an open wound. The only reason DSJ is even on the team is that team can't stomach the idea that the trade was that bad. And, whereas KP threw hissy-fits from the team's losing and dysfunction, DSJ is just an all around loser, sulking when he doesn't play etc. We sold way, way too low

Revisit the timeline. The beef was with Phil. We fired Phil, moved from Hornacek all while KP was in Rehab from his injury. Fiz never coached him. Basically everything was done. KP had the keys to the franchise.
Basically nothing I have read really defines why he left.
My take is basically aligns with Triple’s insistence that things are not always planned but reacted to. The egregious act as I see it was Knicks delayed extending KP’s money for two reasons:

1. Knicks have 10mm more to spend on talent.
2. Knicks get to see KP is not defective and rehab is smooth.

Remember the timeline. Remember KP does not step on the court and knicks publicly are not pressuring him at all. My take is knicks did not embrace him as the face of the franchise under and it was about money and when it was to come. With everyone’s back up the good faith from both sides was done. KP physically is fragile, has some form of anemic conditions, and is off the court immature. Knicks wait and see does not foster trust. Janis applies leverage he has to get his client to a team that wants him and will pay him.

What’s left? Blame. you have to go back to the moment that trade was done and realize the leverage and who had it.

It's no mystery. He was tired of losing, and moreover of seeing a dysfunctional franchise. THere's no other reason to think he didn't want to be in NY Whether it was Phil saying the right things (debatable but assume arguendo) and then doing stupid things, or the next front office saying they want smart, two-way players and then doing the exact opposite, he was sick of it. ANd frankly so would any other player worth a damn (i.e., one who is good and cares about winning). And if you don't believe that go and look at all the press whether it's for KD, KI or any other player wanting to stay away from the Knicks . So who do we get instead? Players who need a job or care more about money. Guys getting max at the team of their choosing, are not choosing the Knicks (personally i;m not a fan of max FA but say this because it shows the point; it's not KP it's everyone worth a damn) I would have preferred he be more patient but regardless FO has to make that work or get value

Talking about his flaws is a diversion. Giannis can't hit 3s; Harden doesn't play defense; Lebron couldn't hit threes early and has always been an ego-maniac. Just stop with that. Embiid and Simmons missed huge time.

If you think KP is/was worth mental-midget DSJ and 2 (almost certainly) late 1st round picks, then you have the exact same mindset as Mills and Perry. Embrace that!

I'm not going to say the KP debacle set us back a decade but it is indicative of our dysfunction. We went from bad (Phil) to worse (Mills/Perry/Fizzdale). Statistically unlikely but we somehow pulled it off

I do say with confidence that it is far more likely KP will have several AS appearances and deep playoff runs, than it will be for Mills and Fizzdale to be given a repeat opportunity to run a team or head coach. Court is still out on Perry