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BigDaddyG
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8/2/2020  6:51 PM
Knickfury11 wrote:
martin wrote:Wonder if this guy will get a chance at the next level. Westchester G-League guy Lamar Peters.

https://theknickswall.com/nba-delete-8-plan-would-provide-tremendous-benefits-new-york-knicks/

played the entire season with the Westchester Knicks. Peters averaged 17.7 points per game and 7.2 assists per game while shooting 40.4% from beyond the arc

Really decent numbers and was impressed with the tape. If he was more athletic he’d get the nod from me.
Whatever happens the PG spot is so crucial in today’s NBA. Personally I’d ideally like to draft a pg with one of our picks. If we can move Payton and DSJ great, although I have a feeling Thibs could actually like DSJ game ala D Rose CHICAGO days.

Vassell and Nesmith would be awesome additions to our existing roster should we miss on PGs in draft.


I don't think he's any less athletic than guys like Jalen Brunson or Shabazz Napier. I think Lamar cans develop into a solid backup PG. I'd like to see him get a shot here tho it seems unlikely now. We'd still need a top line playmaker. Doesn't need to be a PG, tho that would be the easiest route.
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8/4/2020  12:56 AM
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GustavBahler wrote:Dont have any names to offer. Is Rose going to try to Max out a couple of Stars? We dont really know who the FO is targetting. What kind of timetable they're on. Paul doesnt make sense if he doesnt have a lot of Star power with him.

Right now I dont believe we need anything more than a competent, reliable, PG. Doesnt have to be a highlight reel. Its been a while since we had a PG like that for an entire season. Either they arent reliable enough, or they get hurt.

Frank, DSJr, a draft pick, a backup PG from another team. Reliability, the ability to run an offense, to get everyone involved. Not necessarily a big time scorer, a PG who can get timely buckets during the game. Not necessarily the player you give the ball to, to tske the last shot.

Dont believe we need to hit a home run at PG, if the Knicks are planning to grow talent. Looks like G-League will be getting more of an emphasis, from what Ive read. A good reliable, stop gap PG, can help get a team with recent draft picks, upcoming draft picks on the same page. Give them the space to find their game. Unless we're going all in on Stars, and need a PG with experience on a contender.

My guess is we draft a PG and either also add Chris Paul via trade or pair the rookie with a solid vet like dj augustin or Jeff Teague. Both have played for thibs. Chris Paul would be a mentor and leader for a young team. But only if it’s a salary dump in the okc side. Long term i see us targeting Booker or Donavan Mitchell. But that’s playing the long game. Short term it’s about drafting a PG and building around that player and RJ and Mitch while adding a couple of quality vets that compliment them well.

We still have another ace in the hole. The team swooped up Jared Harper from the G League, where he averaged 20.5 per. Although he's 5'11', his pedigree is undisputed. He shots 35.5% from the 3 point line, and is a natural leader, having taken his Auburn team to the Final Four in 2019. I'm excited to see what he does with some playing time.

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8/4/2020  11:05 AM
martin wrote:

Yup and considering his age he's the perfect fit. You can draft Haliburton and play them both together (with Barrett at the 3) without an issue. FVV, Haliburton, and Barrett on the floor together equals great floor spacing, defensive versatility and ball movement.

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8/4/2020  12:46 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Dont have any names to offer. Is Rose going to try to Max out a couple of Stars? We dont really know who the FO is targetting. What kind of timetable they're on. Paul doesnt make sense if he doesnt have a lot of Star power with him.

Right now I dont believe we need anything more than a competent, reliable, PG. Doesnt have to be a highlight reel. Its been a while since we had a PG like that for an entire season. Either they arent reliable enough, or they get hurt.

Frank, DSJr, a draft pick, a backup PG from another team. Reliability, the ability to run an offense, to get everyone involved. Not necessarily a big time scorer, a PG who can get timely buckets during the game. Not necessarily the player you give the ball to, to tske the last shot.

Dont believe we need to hit a home run at PG, if the Knicks are planning to grow talent. Looks like G-League will be getting more of an emphasis, from what Ive read. A good reliable, stop gap PG, can help get a team with recent draft picks, upcoming draft picks on the same page. Give them the space to find their game. Unless we're going all in on Stars, and need a PG with experience on a contender.

My guess is we draft a PG and either also add Chris Paul via trade or pair the rookie with a solid vet like dj augustin or Jeff Teague. Both have played for thibs. Chris Paul would be a mentor and leader for a young team. But only if it’s a salary dump in the okc side. Long term i see us targeting Booker or Donavan Mitchell. But that’s playing the long game. Short term it’s about drafting a PG and building around that player and RJ and Mitch while adding a couple of quality vets that compliment them well.

I dont believe that Paul would want to be traded to the Knicks, unless the plan was to sign more stars, role players, and try to win now.

Paul is still playing at a high level, but I believe winning a ring is a big part of what drives him. Paul doesnt have too many years left as a starter. He was able to succeed in OKC because he was going to a veteran playoff team. Plug and Play. Thats not what would be the deal in NY, if they dont plan on winning now. Dont see Paul wanting to spend the end of his career that way. I see him wanting to win a ring as a starter, not a bench player when he's past his prime.

A good veteran PG like Teague would be fine, if they've bought into the gameplan. Or Frank, DSJr, stepping up. Consistency at the PG postion will pay big dividends in developing talent.

Wow,you are dialed in pretty well to Pauls mindset! Its no doubt fun to speculate what is in the head of a player. OKC won't likely win a chip this year but for fans it has to be a fun season outside of covid to see the great job Donovan has done yielding a COTY shared win and Paul coming in meatless and having an amazing season at his age! There is a lot of synergy that had to have happend for that result to have occurred. Sam Presti looks like a freaking genious having sold off Westbrook and pg13 and still coming away with the treasure chest of players and picks all while "rebuilding". We all expected the Salty Paul to begrudingly leave a good Clipper situation and mail it in as he rode into the sunset. Maybe OKC has to ride it out until a buy out can be reached two years from the trade. Instead the culture Donovan and Presti built in a vacuum kicked the fan can down the road while they rebuild. Would expect Gallo to depart and we just assume Presti will shop the shyt out of paul and instead of paying a team to take him, perhaps get a decent return.
Does Paul even want to leave? I mean this has to be fun for him at some level? Not all players get this kind of experience. He is "Winning" and no team given his salary can he chase a ring with given the salary constraints. Come to NY? Seems like OKC is ahead of our curve talent wise. Does he have place on OKC going forward? I think They will let Schroeder walk rather than reup him. He is a good talent but they have so much tradinug power.
Or......
Does OKC make trades to obtain talent and go for it sooner than later? Keep Paul and both take on salary via trade and free agency. Not that AD will leave LA, but OKC has good players now, a treasure of picks, and salary cap.
This is beyond our imaginations. They are WInning, Have a GM who has a full chess board to play with and an established coach with a culture.
So who really knows what the game plan is. Paul took that contract and by doing so lost his freedom to pick and choose where he plays. Its a lot of money.
I hope in a few years we are playing in that same league. They parlayed Westbrook and Paul into this. WE don't have that kind of trading power.
We'll take a different path. One few of us can imagine also.

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8/4/2020  12:55 PM
unstopaball12 wrote:I actually think, thibs will consider Frank a SG and not a PG. He likes scoring PGs and actually let go of a passive, defensive PG in rubio for Teague.

His PGs that achieved under him are- rose, Robinson, Teague, agustin.

Which is why I believe Cole Anthony is on our radar if he wasn't already...

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8/4/2020  1:21 PM
houston20 wrote:No lamelo ball he has bad family his father is an idiot causes to much drama needs to go to small market team suns,piston, or hawks. I don't think thibs will like lamelo ball would drive him crazy so for lamelo ball would hate thibs. I think you draft kira lewis or sign fred van fleet, or trade for guy like dennis shroder for stop gap point guard for one year 15 million dollars.

This so-called idiot father raised two sons who never get into any trouble to be lotto picks. Not bad for a bad family

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8/4/2020  1:55 PM
can I officially change my mind on VanVleet? I was watching him play against the heat yesterday, and he looks like a pudgy rugby player, not a basketball player - and while athleticism alone isn't enough to succeed, I no longer feel comfortable tossing big money at him.
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8/4/2020  2:39 PM
franco12 wrote:can I officially change my mind on VanVleet? I was watching him play against the heat yesterday, and he looks like a pudgy rugby player, not a basketball player - and while athleticism alone isn't enough to succeed, I no longer feel comfortable tossing big money at him.

FVV would be a solid addition. I like the fact he’s a little different.

Determined gritty defender, shoots the 3 ball at a high percentage. Chip on his shoulder underdog type. Hopefully under Thibs he could raise the defensive intensity levels some.... For me cost is the only issue.

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8/4/2020  2:54 PM
franco12 wrote:can I officially change my mind on VanVleet? I was watching him play against the heat yesterday, and he looks like a pudgy rugby player, not a basketball player - and while athleticism alone isn't enough to succeed, I no longer feel comfortable tossing big money at him.

Why would you hire a CAP GURU and then assume that we will be throwing money away and making bad trades or over paying for OK talent.

I think that should be the least of our worries

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8/13/2020  11:51 AM
Anyone interested?:

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8/13/2020  12:19 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Dont have any names to offer. Is Rose going to try to Max out a couple of Stars? We dont really know who the FO is targetting. What kind of timetable they're on. Paul doesnt make sense if he doesnt have a lot of Star power with him.

Right now I dont believe we need anything more than a competent, reliable, PG. Doesnt have to be a highlight reel. Its been a while since we had a PG like that for an entire season. Either they arent reliable enough, or they get hurt.

Frank, DSJr, a draft pick, a backup PG from another team. Reliability, the ability to run an offense, to get everyone involved. Not necessarily a big time scorer, a PG who can get timely buckets during the game. Not necessarily the player you give the ball to, to tske the last shot.

Dont believe we need to hit a home run at PG, if the Knicks are planning to grow talent. Looks like G-League will be getting more of an emphasis, from what Ive read. A good reliable, stop gap PG, can help get a team with recent draft picks, upcoming draft picks on the same page. Give them the space to find their game. Unless we're going all in on Stars, and need a PG with experience on a contender.

My guess is we draft a PG and either also add Chris Paul via trade or pair the rookie with a solid vet like dj augustin or Jeff Teague. Both have played for thibs. Chris Paul would be a mentor and leader for a young team. But only if it’s a salary dump in the okc side. Long term i see us targeting Booker or Donavan Mitchell. But that’s playing the long game. Short term it’s about drafting a PG and building around that player and RJ and Mitch while adding a couple of quality vets that compliment them well.

I dont believe that Paul would want to be traded to the Knicks, unless the plan was to sign more stars, role players, and try to win now.

Paul is still playing at a high level, but I believe winning a ring is a big part of what drives him. Paul doesnt have too many years left as a starter. He was able to succeed in OKC because he was going to a veteran playoff team. Plug and Play. Thats not what would be the deal in NY, if they dont plan on winning now. Dont see Paul wanting to spend the end of his career that way. I see him wanting to win a ring as a starter, not a bench player when he's past his prime.

A good veteran PG like Teague would be fine, if they've bought into the gameplan. Or Frank, DSJr, stepping up. Consistency at the PG postion will pay big dividends in developing talent.

Wow,you are dialed in pretty well to Pauls mindset! Its no doubt fun to speculate what is in the head of a player. OKC won't likely win a chip this year but for fans it has to be a fun season outside of covid to see the great job Donovan has done yielding a COTY shared win and Paul coming in meatless and having an amazing season at his age! There is a lot of synergy that had to have happend for that result to have occurred. Sam Presti looks like a freaking genious having sold off Westbrook and pg13 and still coming away with the treasure chest of players and picks all while "rebuilding". We all expected the Salty Paul to begrudingly leave a good Clipper situation and mail it in as he rode into the sunset. Maybe OKC has to ride it out until a buy out can be reached two years from the trade. Instead the culture Donovan and Presti built in a vacuum kicked the fan can down the road while they rebuild. Would expect Gallo to depart and we just assume Presti will shop the shyt out of paul and instead of paying a team to take him, perhaps get a decent return.
Does Paul even want to leave? I mean this has to be fun for him at some level? Not all players get this kind of experience. He is "Winning" and no team given his salary can he chase a ring with given the salary constraints. Come to NY? Seems like OKC is ahead of our curve talent wise. Does he have place on OKC going forward? I think They will let Schroeder walk rather than reup him. He is a good talent but they have so much tradinug power.
Or......
Does OKC make trades to obtain talent and go for it sooner than later? Keep Paul and both take on salary via trade and free agency. Not that AD will leave LA, but OKC has good players now, a treasure of picks, and salary cap.
This is beyond our imaginations. They are WInning, Have a GM who has a full chess board to play with and an established coach with a culture.
So who really knows what the game plan is. Paul took that contract and by doing so lost his freedom to pick and choose where he plays. Its a lot of money.
I hope in a few years we are playing in that same league. They parlayed Westbrook and Paul into this. WE don't have that kind of trading power.
We'll take a different path. One few of us can imagine also.

Dont have to be "dialed in" to know that Paul wants a ring. Just have to look at his career choices. Little speculation needed. Wont get one in NY without a lot of help. Dont need to be "dialed in" to know that either.

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8/13/2020  12:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:Anyone interested?:

Not really. He will obviously cost something and hasn't shown the ability to be anything more than an average PG at this point. I'd rather go all-in with FVV or draft a PG and pair with a stopgap vet like Teague or Augustin.

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8/13/2020  1:24 PM
I love Frank and I still think he is our starting PG. We need to get some shooters in this draft. Nothing but shooters.
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