fishmike wrote:

“Tom is one of the great coaches on this planet,” Duke Hall of Famer Mike Krzyzewski said then. “To be honest, he talked to the team more than I did.

“To have Thibs right next to me yelling, I’ve learned a lot.”

It took a few years but my pick for a real coach is finally coming to NY. All those getting their panties in a wad are probably the same that liked us picking up all those young "long shot" coaches with "So Much potential". How did that work out? Acting like Kenny is the next Pop after one year of overachieving and getting a team into the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference? We finally have someone who is experienced, coaches grit and hard work, will hold guys accountable and has the respect of the league. Funny how so many are quoting all those overblown criticisms. Because NO other good coach in history has ever had anyone complaining about them. Thibs has said several times that he has learned from his past, is willing to continue to learn and is hungry to be part of something special. The guy teaches sound work ethic, a hard fighting defensive identity and attention to detail. Something NY fans have been hoping for.

Hopefully the hiring of a "Real" coach is followed up by adding "Real" NBA players to the roster. Not a bunch of fan hopeful and long shots.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

“Tom is one of the great coaches on this planet,” Duke Hall of Famer Mike Krzyzewski said then. “To be honest, he talked to the team more than I did.

“To have Thibs right next to me yelling, I’ve learned a lot.”

It took a few years but my pick for a real coach is finally coming to NY. All those getting their panties in a wad are probably the same that liked us picking up all those young "long shot" coaches with "So Much potential". How did that work out? Acting like Kenny is the next Pop after one year of overachieving and getting a team into the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference? We finally have someone who is experienced, coaches grit and hard work, will hold guys accountable and has the respect of the league. Funny how so many are quoting all those overblown criticisms. Because NO other good coach in history has ever had anyone complaining about them. Thibs has said several times that he has learned from his past, is willing to continue to learn and is hungry to be part of something special. The guy teaches sound work ethic, a hard fighting defensive identity and attention to detail. Something NY fans have been hoping for.

Hopefully the hiring of a "Real" coach is followed up by adding "Real" NBA players to the roster. Not a bunch of fan hopeful and long shots.

Also how do you know those guys are wearing panties?

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:

wargames wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:This is such a corny thread concept. I bet OP thought he was being witty when he decided to do it. Just create a “I like Thibs thread” and post pictures of his face or something.

You think you’re countering the David West thread but it’s clear you didn’t comprehend the purpose of that thread If it led you to making this.

well you got one thing right so there's that. The purpose of that thread is Briggs found someone who also doesnt like Thibs so he posted it. If you think its deeper than that its you that doesn't comprehend. knicks1248 is actually right and its not more complicated than that.

Favoritism and nepotism are fair arguments when a more qualified candidate was passed. Who was that again? Regardless your reasons for not liking him have blinded you to the fact he was one of the best choices.

I dont love Thibs, but he's a good coach. I hope he's the right fit here. There are many other factors. There are things not to like about Thibs for sure or things to raise concerns but thats with every hire.

The gaslighting and hypocrisy around here are funny and people cant stomach other points of view.
Briggs says no retreads.. lets hire Woody
Another fella says it shoulda been a black coach after campaigning for Mike Miller for months.
You wanted Kenny who has been with the Knicks! How is Thibs "disgusting nepotism" but Kenny (who worked for Dolan) would be a good hire? Sorry dude

I said multiple times it doesn’t matter about his overalL record his offense and defense systems are outdated, he runs people in the ground, and in regards to development he wasn’t the best option.

You just skipping that and saying favoritism and nepotism isn’t something to be concerned about because he is the best “candidate” is showing your agenda. By ignoring the glaring red flags to this hire and what it says about this current Knicks regime real goals in regards to the Knicks and CAA. Even the majority of candidates they dragged out to make this seem legit were CAA candidates. 99% of my concerns wouldn’t even exist if we didn’t hear even before the position was open they were going to hire Thibs, and then to make matters worst the rumor that they were waiting to announce it so Woj wouldn’t be suspended.

That’s why this thread is corny. If you want to play stupid fine, don’t try to legitimize that POV by dragging up quotes from the past that have nothing to do with this current situation.

you saying something multiple times doesnt make it true, it only makes you repetitive.

2017-2018 Off Rtg: 113.4 (4th of 30) - 3 years ago Thibs coached the Wolves to the 4th best offense in the league

He coached the Bulls in 2015. Thats 5 years ago.

Can you quantify "outdated" because that seems pretty recent to me. He's shown to be an elite coach on both sides of the ball.

You’re cherry picking stats. That Bulls defense would have been a lot more alluring if we didn’t see him fail with the wolves, as for their offense. His whole style is based on riding someone to wins. In the wolves case he had Jimmy Butler drag them to a first round exit.

That’s your argument? To only look at the good and ignore the bad. For example both his Bulls teams and Wolves teams were more talented than this Knicks team. Honestly, at this point I am waiting to see the draft and if we draft a CAA client over a better fit/talented player.

As much as I dislike this Thibs move he isn’t the problem and more a symptom. How much control does CAA have over the knicks?

I think your using some generalizations About Thibs. These are similar to how I felt bout him when Phil was hiring and some around here was touting him. I thought he was not a good fit with PHil as he is too strong in his own mind UNLESS he was totally down with the Triangle and then he’d be the kind of guy that would eat it up.
The WHole “CAA=Illuminati” is a bit played out. Read how valuable the interviewing process is for execs to learn much from them. Nobody put a gun to any of these guys heads and if anything the positive feedback helps them. Leon is respected. Leon Respects. Leon did not hire Thibs because they are buddies, they are buddies because learn respects Thibs and he has earned that respect.

I am sorry. I just can’t get over the whole “Thibs is getting lesmanhired” from day 1#.

It’s to the point I want to know who represents the FO they hired, and like I said let’s see who they draft and get in FA.

If this is just a blip cool, but if it’s not the knicks are about to have their roster gutted and left holding the bill for overplayed CAA clients. That’s how these things go. On the low that is how they treated this team when Melo was here.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

GT2AM wrote:
The car salesman is now on the Knicks side. And Everyone looks out for their own interests. CAA (maybe it was Leon himself [so does that mean we don't need to worry anymore?]) had strong influence on the Knicks because Dolan let them. It's the agents job to convince a team that Bargnani is good for them and to pay him. The agent doesn't care if the Knicks suck or not. (A fringe player will get more playing time on a bad team too, so maybe thats even in their interest.) Now Leon's focus is on Leon. He was given a dream job and now he gets to mold his own future, make his legacy. And he knows all the tricks of the car salesman trade. He won't get taken easily, won't give out bad contracts to help CAA (certainly not with Brock Aller around.) The Knicks are his baby now, not CAA or his former clients, or even his own wallet. There may be a high CAA presence with the Knicks but thats because of relationships. He may have an easier time getting CAA players. (Its not like players are lining up to get here.). But he'll get players that make the Knicks better not CAA. Thats just human nature. Leons loyalty is to the Knicks now. He's be an idiot to screw his masterpiece up to help grow CAA. I don't believe he is an idiot, and I'm comfortable with how he surrounded himself with other smart voices to keep him on track to his true goals. I might be worried if he came in like the saviour (ala Phil Jackson) with grand ideas(bring back the triangle offense.) But that's not how he operates apparently. He mooched some of the best minds in the game from other teams and built a front office Team. None of the previous Knicks Presidents of Basketball Operations ever operated this way. (Of course they set up a front office too, but it's usually just a GM. The titles he's given out say it all. Aller "Stratigec Planning", Wes "Senior Basketball Advisor".) I'm optimistic.

A natural born salesman puts personal gain first, scruples come after that. CAA would be a logical place for Rose to go back to if he crashes and burns on the NYK. So the temptation to do right by his former partners and clients is a strong one. I hope Dolan had enough smart lawyers who would have written good "no conflicts" clauses into Rose's contract.

Nalod wrote:Good agent puts his client first. IF you do that over and over you get more clients and good things happen.

KnickDanger wrote:I got an idea -- let's make definitive statements on whether Thibs was a good hire or not before he coaches a single f@#king game. Or we could wait, like that ESPN schmuck who called RJ a bust after his second summer league game.

It's like there's an international stupid contest and people are doing whatever is necessary to win.

hahahahahaha +1000

fishmike wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I got an idea -- let's make definitive statements on whether Thibs was a good hire or not before he coaches a single f@#king game. Or we could wait, like that ESPN schmuck who called RJ a bust after his second summer league game.

It's like there's an international stupid contest and people are doing whatever is necessary to win.

I dunno mate... every time I turn on the news seems all the stupid is here in the US.

Well we have a comfortable lead....

TripleThreat wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote: CAA would be a logical place for Rose to go back to if he crashes and burns on the NYK.

Leon Rose can never go back to CAA. It would immediately cause internal division with his former client list still at the agency.

Also, up the chain, he was blamed for not handling the LeBron James situation ( LBJ and Rich Paul left the agency, while trying to take a bulk of CAAs client list, not just basketball players, with them) To be fair, no one could have handled that situation. LBJ has been allowed to defacto run an agency while also being an active player in the league. Everyone knows it, no one says anything, too much money involved to stop it.

If Leon Rose gets fired sooner rather than later, then his best immediate option would be to start a new agency. Which only works if he gets someone on the level of Ben Dogra to abandon ship and take his client list with him. Which is not likely to happen. Since Rose will be in his 60s when he gets fired, his best long term move is to work for the league administration in some capacity since he's already heavily wired into the networks and the ownership group. Bid a little time to make his move against Silver for the Commissioner chair.

Running the Knicks successfully is the only pathway to better options down the road, so Rose will only make moves with CAA that are win/win oriented for the Knicks to win. Not sure why people are questioning this. Rose is here, in part, because his ability to stay a high powered agent was in question. You don't make a career move like this, at that age, by full and open choice.

What Rose carries with him that's valuable is the payoff list he's built over the years. People who were paid quietly to provide him with information on every team in the league. The question is if he can make the most value out of the information, not if the information will be there or not.