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unstopaball12
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7/27/2020  11:46 PM
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

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7/28/2020  9:14 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

Lavine can shoot and will help spread the floor for RJ.

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7/28/2020  9:27 AM
blkexec wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

Lavine can shoot and will help spread the floor for RJ.

They really don't fit or compliment each other.

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7/28/2020  11:25 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

Lavine can shoot and will help spread the floor for RJ.

They really don't fit or compliment each other.


LaVine makes 3 threes a game at 38%. He's good off the catch and shoot as well. He would be a fine compliment to Barrett, especially to those who believe Barrett is better suited at the SF.
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7/28/2020  11:39 AM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

Lavine can shoot and will help spread the floor for RJ.

They really don't fit or compliment each other.


LaVine makes 3 threes a game at 38%. He's good off the catch and shoot as well. He would be a fine compliment to Barrett, especially to those who believe Barrett is better suited at the SF.

He also has a pretty high usage rate with poor TO to assist numbers. Is LaVine a PG?

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7/28/2020  12:39 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Thibs wants him and Lavine has matured to see his role in the process then it could be great! Players evolve also.

He did enjoy playing for thibs. Not sure though how they fits with RJ

Lavine can shoot and will help spread the floor for RJ.

They really don't fit or compliment each other.


LaVine makes 3 threes a game at 38%. He's good off the catch and shoot as well. He would be a fine compliment to Barrett, especially to those who believe Barrett is better suited at the SF.

He also has a pretty high usage rate with poor TO to assist numbers. Is LaVine a PG?

I think for the reasons you just stated he definitely isn't a PG. He's a wing.

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7/29/2020  1:23 AM
I've kinda warmed up to the idea of considering Lavine at a reasonable cost. While I haven't watched him closely - his stats are near identical to Booker who the Knicks seem fond of. Neither play quality defense, but Lavine's contract is about 10 mill less per year. I'd like to think we will sit tight and develop our young players but with Thibs being hired - don't think that's very likely.

If we go the "acquire a talented player" route - maybe Lavine is a more cost effective option than Booker. He shoots well from 3 and has athleticism we haven't seen in years. Someone previous suggested also going after Lauri. I'd be totally fine with a Randle, DSJr, Knox, 2 Dallas 1st rounders (or LAC 1st) for some combo of Lauri and Lauri (maybe Kornet). Fine to take on Otto Porter's contract but not sure that would be enough for Chi though...

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7/29/2020  9:41 AM
does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?
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7/29/2020  9:53 AM
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.

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7/29/2020  10:44 AM
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Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.
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7/29/2020  11:09 AM
Knixkik wrote:
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Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.
I think the culture isnt bad... even last with and without Fizdale guys were working hard and trying hard, they just werent very good. I think the biggest need is pure talent.

We have Frank and Mitch, two nice role players I equate to Marcus Smart and Clint Capella. Two really good role players but not guys you are building a team around. RJ looks like the only clear cut building block piece, so we really need GUYS. Zach has some scoring chops and does some other good things but he doesnt defend much at all.

Its a cost and fit thing. I like Thad Young and Lauri a lot as well. If we could get either back in a deal that moved Julius it would be a big help.

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7/29/2020  11:14 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.
I think the culture isnt bad... even last with and without Fizdale guys were working hard and trying hard, they just werent very good. I think the biggest need is pure talent.

We have Frank and Mitch, two nice role players I equate to Marcus Smart and Clint Capella. Two really good role players but not guys you are building a team around. RJ looks like the only clear cut building block piece, so we really need GUYS. Zach has some scoring chops and does some other good things but he doesnt defend much at all.

Its a cost and fit thing. I like Thad Young and Lauri a lot as well. If we could get either back in a deal that moved Julius it would be a big help.

Yeah i'm with you. Talent is most important. Whatever the case we need to take a step forward in order to see guys like Barrett, Robinson and to a lesser extent Frank and Knox grow their careers into impact players. We need to handpick the right vets to help with that.

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7/29/2020  11:19 AM
Knixkik wrote:
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Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

LaVine was a boarder line all star, but I can’t help but feel his game is more flash than substance. Culture changing,versatile, two way players are who we need to acquire. Looking at his numbers / percentages ( and not his highlights tape ) just could not justify his addition.

Similar numbers to Booker true, just feel he is far more versatile and more team type player.

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7/29/2020  11:20 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

I wouldn't mind bringing in vet guys like Gallo, Cp3, Harrel, Fleet, derozen, ibaka, Morris sr, Bogdan, Bartans, Melo..Those are thibs type of players

My pipe dream is De Aaron fox, he would fit perfectly with RJ in the back court

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7/29/2020  11:25 AM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

Don’t think you can go by the method of just labeling players. Matters the price, contract and role. With the Knicks him being a featured starter and scorer most likely won’t generate wins. Not counting the assets the would be required to trade for him. But if he ended up going a Lou Williams route. Where he was signed as a FA for a good price to play a 6th man instant offense role. All of a sudden he would probably find himself in a winning situation where he would flourish. Ala Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams etc...

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7/29/2020  11:30 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

I wouldn't mind bringing in vet guys like Gallo, Cp3, Harrel, Fleet, derozen, ibaka, Morris sr, Bogdan, Bartans, Melo..Those are thibs type of players

My pipe dream is De Aaron fox, he would fit perfectly with RJ in the back court

Amen. Your not alone, Fox has crazy two way game and can really shift in the open floor.

Gotta say I wouldn’t be too disappointed with FVV / Bertrands / ibaka.

CP3 injury and albatross of contract concerns. Derozen doesn’t shoot a high enough percentage. Morris/ Harrel / Bogdan meh...

Melo we need to let go...

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7/29/2020  11:54 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

LaVine was a boarder line all star, but I can’t help but feel his game is more flash than substance. Culture changing,versatile, two way players are who we need to acquire. Looking at his numbers / percentages ( and not his highlights tape ) just could not justify his addition.

Similar numbers to Booker true, just feel he is far more versatile and more team type player.

Booker is a star making $30-$35mm a year. Zach locked into a $20mm deal. Thats well below all star money.

Zach a good scorer with warts in his game (defense/usage). He's a talented player and I have no doubt could help. Its all about cost/acquisition.

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7/29/2020  12:02 PM
Knickfury11 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

I wouldn't mind bringing in vet guys like Gallo, Cp3, Harrel, Fleet, derozen, ibaka, Morris sr, Bogdan, Bartans, Melo..Those are thibs type of players

My pipe dream is De Aaron fox, he would fit perfectly with RJ in the back court

Amen. Your not alone, Fox has crazy two way game and can really shift in the open floor.

Gotta say I wouldn’t be too disappointed with FVV / Bertrands / ibaka.

CP3 injury and albatross of contract concerns. Derozen doesn’t shoot a high enough percentage. Morris/ Harrel / Bogdan meh...

Melo we need to let go...

Melo is just a legacy addition. You bring him in with a very specific role in mind, a stretch 4 who will spend most of his time spotting up. His iso days should be pretty much over. Agree about FVV, Bertans and Ibaka, all good options, all can shoot. Stay away from DeRozan for sure.

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7/29/2020  12:10 PM

sorry i just cannot see bringing in a player who is not a winner, and by this i mean the player who is so competitive that winning matters most -- do what the team needs, and the coach wants.

extreme end of the spectrum is DSJ who sulks if he doesn't get minutes even when he sucks ass. And is ecstatic if he gets stats even if we lose.

Lavine and Wiggins are not far removed from that though. Hard pass. there's a reason he's being made available.


Then you have the issue of fit. He's not a 1 and has too many TOs. and if you use him at 2 you force RJ to play 3 and give up his inherent advantage of bullying 2s

I know we're all desperate for talent but this is the NBA version of beer-goggles

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7/29/2020  2:21 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Knickfury11 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Chandler wrote:does anyone honestly look at LaVine and think he's a winner?

He's been playing on losing teams he's entire NBA career. I don't think it's a good time to bring in a talented player who is USE to playing losing basketball.


It's why as much as i like LaVine i'd rather bring in someone like Gallinari even if he's older. We need culture changing players.

I wouldn't mind bringing in vet guys like Gallo, Cp3, Harrel, Fleet, derozen, ibaka, Morris sr, Bogdan, Bartans, Melo..Those are thibs type of players

My pipe dream is De Aaron fox, he would fit perfectly with RJ in the back court

Amen. Your not alone, Fox has crazy two way game and can really shift in the open floor.

Gotta say I wouldn’t be too disappointed with FVV / Bertrands / ibaka.

CP3 injury and albatross of contract concerns. Derozen doesn’t shoot a high enough percentage. Morris/ Harrel / Bogdan meh...

Melo we need to let go...

Melo is just a legacy addition. You bring him in with a very specific role in mind, a stretch 4 who will spend most of his time spotting up. His iso days should be pretty much over. Agree about FVV, Bertans and Ibaka, all good options, all can shoot. Stay away from DeRozan for sure.


Based on what i have been seeing form melo, he's not trying to be the man, I think he is at the point in his career where he can accept not being the primary guy, i actually think he may welcome it.

Derozen can score, probably not the best fit with RJ, but definitely a nice vet to have around RJ.

All of the players i mention have quality skills that can mesh, not really looking at them as primary guys

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