houston20 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

houston20 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TheGame wrote:I am more worried about whether we can trade for Lamelo Ball, because unless we move up to 1 or 2, it is doubtful he will be there when we draft. If we can stay at no lower than 6, we have the assets to put together a trade for him and as long as it is not ridiculous, the Knicks should move up. Think about if we had pushed to move up that one spot that we missed out on Curry (he was drafted 7th i believe and we had the 8th pick). I don't want a repeat of that. Hopefully, two teams that do not need a PG move up to first and second and are willing to trade. I agree that Atlanta and the Kings will probably pass. They are happy with their current pgs, and they would likely look to fill other needs, but all the other teams you mentioned, I could see drafting Ball, because he is just that good and he could fit into a second ball handler/scorer type role for any team. I think the Lavar Ball drama is overhyped. Yeah, he is probably going to do some talking, but he has not derailed Lonzo's career, and he has calmed down from what he was doing earlier. Most teams will view it as only a minor annoyance.

I worry about trading up. I don’t think just the clippers pick gets it done. The Knicks need to keep next year’s pick. My guess is it will be high lottery again.

I doubt the knicks tank again especially if they signed thibs as coach. Rj, Frank, Mitch new draft picks and knox can't tank all the time at some point they will have to show some progress of playoffs.

The Ny Knicks have never ever tanked. We just suck. You can dictate what the Knicks will be— maybe we suck again — I certainly hope not but it’s a rag tag mess.

If didn't have fizdale at the start season and put mike miller in charged before it was too late the knicks would probably be 7 or 8 seed in the east.

Most likely wrong and more importantly the goal is not an 8 seed. It’s building a tram that can compete for championships. Or else what’s the purpose?

With this new virus u won’t see msg sold out for 5 years at least. So just a goal of tipping out the garden is foolish

BRIGGS wrote:

houston20 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TheGame wrote:I am more worried about whether we can trade for Lamelo Ball, because unless we move up to 1 or 2, it is doubtful he will be there when we draft. If we can stay at no lower than 6, we have the assets to put together a trade for him and as long as it is not ridiculous, the Knicks should move up. Think about if we had pushed to move up that one spot that we missed out on Curry (he was drafted 7th i believe and we had the 8th pick). I don't want a repeat of that. Hopefully, two teams that do not need a PG move up to first and second and are willing to trade. I agree that Atlanta and the Kings will probably pass. They are happy with their current pgs, and they would likely look to fill other needs, but all the other teams you mentioned, I could see drafting Ball, because he is just that good and he could fit into a second ball handler/scorer type role for any team. I think the Lavar Ball drama is overhyped. Yeah, he is probably going to do some talking, but he has not derailed Lonzo's career, and he has calmed down from what he was doing earlier. Most teams will view it as only a minor annoyance.

I worry about trading up. I don’t think just the clippers pick gets it done. The Knicks need to keep next year’s pick. My guess is it will be high lottery again.

I doubt the knicks tank again especially if they signed thibs as coach. Rj, Frank, Mitch new draft picks and knox can't tank all the time at some point they will have to show some progress of playoffs.

The Ny Knicks have never ever tanked. We just suck. You can dictate what the Knicks will be— maybe we suck again — I certainly hope not but it’s a rag tag mess.

Oh we tanked in the Zion season alright.

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Guys this team is going to suck next year and it should suck because we have at least 4 young guys we need to give significant minutes. The team was starting to win at around a 40% clip at the end of the season. If we can carry that over to next year, then the team can fight for the 8th spot while also giving major minutes to rj, Knox, Frank, and Mitch and whoever our draft picks are this year. Play hard, try to win games and then hope that player development, two 1st round picks in the 2021 draft, and max cap space will convince Giannis or Davis to come here or hope some disgruntled star wants to switch teams. The main thing Leon needs to do is keep us in a position to make the type of deal Boston made for Garnett and Ray Allen. Gather assets, develop players, and stay flexible when the eventual opportunity presents itself. For these reasons, we should not be worrying about if a player is going to take 3-4 years to develop. The key is finding the guy who is going to be the best player in 4 years. That’s why I am not worried about whether Ball is going to be inefficient in year 1.

Dude if you want to stop seeing coaches, Gm's and presidents getting fired and a revolving door of players coming and going every 90 days, you have to win and you have to put together a team that can win now.

If Leon Rose takes the same route that was just taking by phill and MILLS, he will end up just like them.

Ball has barely played organized ball(not to mention the weak competition is has played against) he's just a lost talented kid who can't even shoot or play D( already a glaring weakness for us at that position) that kid has a long way to go, and base on the development of Frank, mitch, knox and RJ so far, we are not that good at it.

we dont have a single leader or winning vets on this roster, and now your proposing to bring in more young raw talent.

So you mean all these years all the knicks had to do was "Win"? This is "Einsteinian" revealing equation really does change the paridigm of professional sports!

So when the knicks turned to Woodson, won 54 games with the veteran Zombie about to retire vets we had actually at that moment in our hands set about the cultureal shift! Then the next season we won only 39 games, which proves your point. Becuase of that, and the aging roster that could not be replenished for all kinds of reasons we have commited to memory, the very core of our problem was not Bargnani, or Shump, or JR, or Melo......It was that we fired Grunfeld, Hired Mills, then hired Phil. All this time i thought the management and decisoins that were being made was the cause to the talent issue which did not translate to success on the court. Wrong was I!!!!
Simple, had the team just "won" then the rest would take care of itself!!! Phuching amazing.......

No one knows how the layoff will affect players. Might help some vets, hurt others.

As I said in another thread, would rather trade for Lonzo, than draft LaMelo.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I could see a veteran team like the Warriors taking Ball, if they believe he has the skills. Teams with stars close to or in their 30s usually have a limited shelf life. Things like injuries play more of a role. Teams have to look to the future, and what better mentors for a draft pick than a contender?

No one knows how the layoff will affect players. Might help some vets, hurt others.

As I said in another thread, would rather trade for Lonzo, than draft LaMelo.

I’m not on Kerrs speed dial so I don’t have access to him or pop as some of you do. I don’t know what GSW is thinking but I expect “Win now”. If so they want a piece or pieces to fill deficits and perhaps the no. 1 pick gets them there then I expect them to draft. I dont’ think ball moves the dial in first two years for a team with contending aspirations.
If SAS takes him and pop stays then its the vacuum of a culture they expect him to conform to and enrich his talents over a period defined by their expectation.
Sac might see it fit to trade and make room for him and continue what they are doing. Maybe trade Fox which might yield a big return.
Knicks drafted Knox and was told by his college coach he’ll need three years. Nothing that has not been discussed before and Ian Begley brings up this week. Scouts back up what I been saying that his defense has improved. Fans see his minutes down, and his scoring messed up because he is thinking too much. I’m not a scout or good at evaluating like some of you but I see a kid just 1.5 years into it and my level of disappointment is only that he was not a phenom, but thats it. some of you are ready to dump him and perhaps quench the blame thirst you have.

Back to Ball. I suppose if we stay at the 6th pick its a moot point as he’ll likely be gone.
I will root for my rookies and yoot until they are no longer deemed fit by Leon or traded for fair value. I am open minded about the future and don’t put much credence in the past unless it is substantially relevant to the future.

Martyr... LMAO. If any team sees LaMelo as the real deal, I dont see them passing on him, if he is available. As well as the BPA. If a team passes on him its likely because they have doubts in his abilities.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Guys this team is going to suck next year and it should suck because we have at least 4 young guys we need to give significant minutes. The team was starting to win at around a 40% clip at the end of the season. If we can carry that over to next year, then the team can fight for the 8th spot while also giving major minutes to rj, Knox, Frank, and Mitch and whoever our draft picks are this year. Play hard, try to win games and then hope that player development, two 1st round picks in the 2021 draft, and max cap space will convince Giannis or Davis to come here or hope some disgruntled star wants to switch teams. The main thing Leon needs to do is keep us in a position to make the type of deal Boston made for Garnett and Ray Allen. Gather assets, develop players, and stay flexible when the eventual opportunity presents itself. For these reasons, we should not be worrying about if a player is going to take 3-4 years to develop. The key is finding the guy who is going to be the best player in 4 years. That’s why I am not worried about whether Ball is going to be inefficient in year 1.

Dude if you want to stop seeing coaches, Gm's and presidents getting fired and a revolving door of players coming and going every 90 days, you have to win and you have to put together a team that can win now.

If Leon Rose takes the same route that was just taking by phill and MILLS, he will end up just like them.

Ball has barely played organized ball(not to mention the weak competition is has played against) he's just a lost talented kid who can't even shoot or play D( already a glaring weakness for us at that position) that kid has a long way to go, and base on the development of Frank, mitch, knox and RJ so far, we are not that good at it.

we dont have a single leader or winning vets on this roster, and now your proposing to bring in more young raw talent.

I think gathering assets, staying flexible and being prudent are key. With the cap lowering, a shortened season coming up and two firsts in next year’s draft is a really solid plan. As the game said, wait for the right deal to get your star player(s).

You still have to use the assets correctly, and we haven't been doing that, spending high picks on project players, over paying players for short term deals.

Brilliant!

Chandler wrote:risk reward with LaMelo is all wrong. AT least with Lonzo there was more transparency because of his college career. People had high expectations from his college tape. It ends up a lot of the criticisms about Lonzo were true though, and i can't see anyone choosing Lonzo at 2 if there was a time machine/redo

WHy anyone expects more from LaMelo than Lonzo is beyond me. This strikes me as another example of better teams (conspiracy theory alert) behind the scenes hyping LaMelo (e.g., via unnamed sources, friendly media voices, whatever) so that some stupid team wastes a pick on him.

I hope the KNicks don't buy the hype, exercise independent judgment and choose wisely

I will be stunned if LaMelo translates to anywhere near his slot.

Agree about LaMelo, Chad Ford said teams have their doubts as well. Disagree about Lonzo. Fixed his shot, was shooting over 40 percent from 3, put up back to back 20pt games before he went out. Has seemingly recovered from wearing his father's substandard shoes, and was finally healthy before the season ended. Was already a good defender, and a first rate paseer. Lonzo apparently has also been hitting the gym. At 22, with the strides he made this season, I see him becoming the player the Lakers were hoping for when they drafted him. Depending on the trade, Id be happy to see him as a Knick.

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:risk reward with LaMelo is all wrong. AT least with Lonzo there was more transparency because of his college career. People had high expectations from his college tape. It ends up a lot of the criticisms about Lonzo were true though, and i can't see anyone choosing Lonzo at 2 if there was a time machine/redo

WHy anyone expects more from LaMelo than Lonzo is beyond me. This strikes me as another example of better teams (conspiracy theory alert) behind the scenes hyping LaMelo (e.g., via unnamed sources, friendly media voices, whatever) so that some stupid team wastes a pick on him.

I hope the KNicks don't buy the hype, exercise independent judgment and choose wisely

I will be stunned if LaMelo translates to anywhere near his slot.

Agree about LaMelo, Chad Ford said teams have their doubts as well. Disagree about Lonzo. Fixed his shot, was shooting over 40 percent from 3, put up back to back 20pt games before he went out. Has seemingly recovered from wearing his father's substandard shoes, and was finally healthy before the season ended. Was already a good defender, and a first rate paseer. Lonzo apparently has also been hitting the gym. At 22, with the strides he made this season, I see him becoming the player the Lakers were hoping for when they drafted him. Depending on the trade, Id be happy to see him as a Knick.

Couldnt agree more. I was a Lonzo fan coming out if college and when there were rumors of him being in trading block when he was in L.A, I definitely wanted us to make a run at him.

The Ball boys have been on the big stage and in the media spotlight for a long time and all of them handle it extremely well. I cant see Lamelo melting under the bright MSG lights. Would love it if we can land him...