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NardDogNation
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5/16/2020  8:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2020  8:23 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Lamelo is a talent. Question and potential problem is the fit. His game may not fit with RJ honestly. Knicks would have to completely build a team around his game and give him the ball. Which would be fine if he proves to be a player cappable of carrying a franchise. But if he isn't then you'd have catered to his game to make it work. Only for him to not be good enough to win with. Or he is a 6th man extrodinary, which you gave up assets to net.

If he is the guy, then it better come with a vision and a plan. And it probably won't be clean process. Or maybe he is that good and it would be.

I don't think he fits with RJ at all. But if I had to choose between the two, I think that LaMelo will be the superior player; so I'd trade Barrett for assets if it really came down to it. Maybe we could re-unite the Ball brothers in NYC, along with Brandon Ingram in a sign-and-trade. I'd want more for Barrett, especially since the deal would harm our 2021 flexibility, but I think it works as far as the principles are concerned.

But if we really are in a position to get LaMelo Ball, we could always leverage him and see if we can get back Devin Booker from the Suns. I think he's an underrated talent and actually fits with Barrett. And being that he's dating a Kardashian, I'm sure he'd want to up his profile by being a Knick.

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5/16/2020  11:33 AM
TheGame wrote:Just spent an hour watching Ball film. We have to get this kid if we can. I would trade all our picks this year to move up for him without hesitation. The kid is exactly what we have been looking for in a pg. He will open up RJ’s and Mitch’s games and allow us to take the ball out of Randle’s hands.

I agree, how anyone can watch him and refuse to draft him because you're worried that his dad might do a few interviews is crazy!

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5/16/2020  12:48 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Lamelo is a talent. Question and potential problem is the fit. His game may not fit with RJ honestly. Knicks would have to completely build a team around his game and give him the ball. Which would be fine if he proves to be a player cappable of carrying a franchise. But if he isn't then you'd have catered to his game to make it work. Only for him to not be good enough to win with. Or he is a 6th man extrodinary, which you gave up assets to net.

If he is the guy, then it better come with a vision and a plan. And it probably won't be clean process. Or maybe he is that good and it would be.

I don't think he fits with RJ at all. But if I had to choose between the two, I think that LaMelo will be the superior player; so I'd trade Barrett for assets if it really came down to it. Maybe we could re-unite the Ball brothers in NYC, along with Brandon Ingram in a sign-and-trade. I'd want more for Barrett, especially since the deal would harm our 2021 flexibility, but I think it works as far as the principles are concerned.

But if we really are in a position to get LaMelo Ball, we could always leverage him and see if we can get back Devin Booker from the Suns. I think he's an underrated talent and actually fits with Barrett. And being that he's dating a Kardashian, I'm sure he'd want to up his profile by being a Knick.

Why do you guys think RJ and Ball wouldn't fit? I don't see that.

Ball wants to set guys up, feel like he could fit with pretty much anyone

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5/16/2020  3:23 PM
Thank You!!!!
I'm sitting here like Lamelo can't play with who??? I really don't understand how people can look at RJ and Mitch and think Lamelo can't play with them? I think people are overthinking the RJ can't shoot thing.(he is just a rookie). I believe RJ can be an all-star in this league so they can figure it out.
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5/16/2020  3:35 PM
martin wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Lamelo is a talent. Question and potential problem is the fit. His game may not fit with RJ honestly. Knicks would have to completely build a team around his game and give him the ball. Which would be fine if he proves to be a player cappable of carrying a franchise. But if he isn't then you'd have catered to his game to make it work. Only for him to not be good enough to win with. Or he is a 6th man extrodinary, which you gave up assets to net.

If he is the guy, then it better come with a vision and a plan. And it probably won't be clean process. Or maybe he is that good and it would be.

I don't think he fits with RJ at all. But if I had to choose between the two, I think that LaMelo will be the superior player; so I'd trade Barrett for assets if it really came down to it. Maybe we could re-unite the Ball brothers in NYC, along with Brandon Ingram in a sign-and-trade. I'd want more for Barrett, especially since the deal would harm our 2021 flexibility, but I think it works as far as the principles are concerned.

But if we really are in a position to get LaMelo Ball, we could always leverage him and see if we can get back Devin Booker from the Suns. I think he's an underrated talent and actually fits with Barrett. And being that he's dating a Kardashian, I'm sure he'd want to up his profile by being a Knick.

Why do you guys think RJ and Ball wouldn't fit? I don't see that.

Ball wants to set guys up, feel like he could fit with pretty much anyone

I think what a lot of people don’t see from Ball is a consistent jumper and any form of defence what’s so ever!! Ball posses prodigious playmaking ability with not much else. Huge gamble on a high pick? Like the idea of leveraging Booker with the pick though.

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5/17/2020  10:30 AM
Rookie:

“He needs to work on his shot”
If a good shooter: “he needs to work on his handle”
If a good there : “he needs work on Defense”.

Add in “Needs to get bigger, lose weight, Gain weight, grow, lateral movement, penetrate......etc.”
If not he is a a sure fire generational rookie. They come around about every 5-10 years.
I’m not worried about Lavar, I’m worried about LaMelo being a self entitled little prick and not fulfilling the hype or his potential because he came up in this circus created by his dad. I’d have to understand his character/personality. Is this kid a killer and ascend? RJ, Frank, Knox all teens when they came here and handled their shyt very well. Dennis, OK4 and our very own KP really have not. D’angelo Russell had issues early on and was fortunate to get on a Nets team that did well by him. Takes a few years for some kids. Some of you have already given up on Knox. Some of you think since knicks never have developed they never will despite personal changes. “Well look at Frankie?”. “Should have sent them to the Gleague!””.. Frank in less than three seasons has had 3 presidents, 2 GM’s and 3 head coaches. At 21 he is the longest tenured Knick.
This is why players don’t want to sign here!!! We don’t build.
Is Leon the answer? HOw long is his contract? We getting a new coach? Frankie will be 4 seasons-4 coaches. Knox, 3 for 3.
This has to stop!!! I’m a fan, I hope it will!!!! Thats all I got, “HOPE”!
At least Dolan does move on and is willing to pay for his mistakes. Problem is the mistakes!
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5/17/2020  11:12 AM
Nalod wrote:Rookie:

“He needs to work on his shot”
If a good shooter: “he needs to work on his handle”
If a good there : “he needs work on Defense”.

Add in “Needs to get bigger, lose weight, Gain weight, grow, lateral movement, penetrate......etc.”
If not he is a a sure fire generational rookie. They come around about every 5-10 years.
I’m not worried about Lavar, I’m worried about LaMelo being a self entitled little prick and not fulfilling the hype or his potential because he came up in this circus created by his dad. I’d have to understand his character/personality. Is this kid a killer and ascend? RJ, Frank, Knox all teens when they came here and handled their shyt very well. Dennis, OK4 and our very own KP really have not. D’angelo Russell had issues early on and was fortunate to get on a Nets team that did well by him. Takes a few years for some kids. Some of you have already given up on Knox. Some of you think since knicks never have developed they never will despite personal changes. “Well look at Frankie?”. “Should have sent them to the Gleague!””.. Frank in less than three seasons has had 3 presidents, 2 GM’s and 3 head coaches. At 21 he is the longest tenured Knick.
This is why players don’t want to sign here!!! We don’t build.
Is Leon the answer? HOw long is his contract? We getting a new coach? Frankie will be 4 seasons-4 coaches. Knox, 3 for 3.
This has to stop!!! I’m a fan, I hope it will!!!! Thats all I got, “HOPE”!
At least Dolan does move on and is willing to pay for his mistakes. Problem is the mistakes!
Hope prevails in the house of Nalod1

You could be right about that but Lonzo came out alright, even though he hasn’t played up to being a second pick of the draft. He’s still a good player though without the character issues. There totally was a circus in LA though and LaVar calling out the coach to the media all of the time is not acceptable. He would have a field day in New York! Imagine if the Knicks drafted him and they all got off to a bad start even for the first 2 weeks? There’s no way LaVar would shut up and nothing would stop him.

With that said.... imagine if LaVar would be LaVar AND Melo turns out to be the prick you said he could be? Awful.

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5/18/2020  12:54 AM
I’m basically says he needs to be judged/evaluated on his play. Not his pops..
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5/18/2020  8:16 AM
Nalod wrote:I’m basically says he needs to be judged/evaluated on his play. Not his pops..

I agree with that but you know full well how bad the circus is. I thought they ended Barnum and Bayley.

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5/18/2020  8:31 AM
If LaMelo is LaGood and LaRook of the year Lavar will get louder and louder.
He’ll try to monetize it. Its not healthy when your children are your vocation. Not to say he don’t love them and its not all well intended. Lavar is not pimping out his kids or anything, but he got a “Jerry Krause” thing going where he not only created them with his DNA, but he fathered them and COACHED them. Its the coaching part that seems to not always work out.
The “BBB” proved worse than one could imagine. The concept was ok actually but Lavar over did it. That he got in bed with the wrong partner is way too cliche.
Can’t put the cart before the horse and selling shoes you have to have the Cred on the court. Lonzo is a good NBA player, not “BBB” or not there yet. Lavar was “BBB”, loud, over the top and tacky. Luxury retail is a tough business and to me the concept was actually pretty good, but Lavar took the cool out of it.
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5/18/2020  12:35 PM
Nalod wrote:I’m basically says he needs to be judged/evaluated on his play. Not his pops..

Agreed!

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5/18/2020  1:32 PM
If the Knicks were to trade Barrett for a Ball, Id prefer it was Lonzo. He fixed his broken shot, and I dont believe its hyperbole to say that his Dad's crappy shoes played a part in Lonzo's struggle. Not many players I would trade Barrett for, having just started his career.

Rose lands a couple of whales, so to speak. Big names at the right time in their careers.
Ball would be ideal as a facilitator and scorer. Does a great job of pushing the tempo, seeing the
court. LaMelo is still a LaMaybe. Already seen what Lonzo brings to the table. And his father likely
has much less influence over him.

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5/18/2020  2:53 PM
Ball up, Trade for Lonzo and draft LaMelo.
Then swing a trade for John Wall......."Balls to the Wall"!
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5/18/2020  3:32 PM
Nalod wrote:Ball up, Trade for Lonzo and draft LaMelo.
Then swing a trade for John Wall......."Balls to the Wall"!

Haha like it... sounds very British!!

What's the limit for moving up for Ball?

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