NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

Take Knox out of the conversation. Can you be a good point guard and shoot 20% from three and 57% from the line? My guess is Elf moves on to his fifth team in 7 yrs next season.

My thoughts exactly, Elf and DSJ have under performed period. No real positive impact on this franchise. 5 teams in 7yrs says it all. We need to take a tougher stance regarding players who don’t perform their role. Knox performance should be evaluated on an individual bass.

BRIGGS wrote:
He’s a quality pro pass first pg. he has excellent assist to to ratio. He’s a good penetrator. When you penetrate and pass first. Usually U get good looks for others.

Most of these young Pgs— which one do u see as coming in and making a material
Difference right away?

Payton is a good guard, but he like so many other PGs needs a consistent shot. I'm looking at the guard from Alabama, Kira Lewis as bringing a nice blend of speed and good shooting to the floor. He does have areas of improvement like most players, but his skillset is tantalizing.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

Take Knox out of the conversation. Can you be a good point guard and shoot 20% from three and 57% from the line? My guess is Elf moves on to his fifth team in 7 yrs next season.

He’s a quality pro pass first pg. he has excellent assist to to ratio. He’s a good penetrator. When you penetrate and pass first. Usually U get good looks for others.

Most of these young Pgs— which one do u see as coming in and making a material
Difference right away?

If Payton could hit his free throws and threes at a reasonable rate he would be a keeper. He doesn't though. He is going into his seventh year and hasn't fixed his shot. I am a bit confused with your defense of him. Pretty sure that I have read posts about a need for shooting and to draft two point guards in this draft. Are you going in with that draft strategy and the plan that Elf is your guy because he is a vet and can penetrate and set up his teammates knowing he can't hit threes or free throws?

He wants options and assets. I don’t buy drafting 2 pgs but I see where he is coming from. I would attempt to trade the Clippers pick into the teens and try to draft Bey. I am on board with that. If we can draft Wiseman or Ball or Hayes or TH AND Bey, then I would say we came out with an excellent draft. No need to overpay for CP3 or Van Fleet even though I like both players.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

Take Knox out of the conversation. Can you be a good point guard and shoot 20% from three and 57% from the line? My guess is Elf moves on to his fifth team in 7 yrs next season.

He’s a quality pro pass first pg. he has excellent assist to to ratio. He’s a good penetrator. When you penetrate and pass first. Usually U get good looks for others.

Most of these young Pgs— which one do u see as coming in and making a material
Difference right away?

If Payton could hit his free throws and threes at a reasonable rate he would be a keeper. He doesn't though. He is going into his seventh year and hasn't fixed his shot. I am a bit confused with your defense of him. Pretty sure that I have read posts about a need for shooting and to draft two point guards in this draft. Are you going in with that draft strategy and the plan that Elf is your guy because he is a vet and can penetrate and set up his teammates knowing he can't hit threes or free throws?

I don’t want to spend my big pick on a pg. the pg I like? Payton Pritchard but I don’t have to pay much to get him.

I’d rather get a combination of these players

Wiseman
Jalen Smith
Saddiq Bey
Aaron Nesmith
Payton Pritchard

If u think one of these drafted pgs are walking in here to change the fortunes of this team you’re going to be disappointed.

I’d rather g league and late draft pick for pg.

Also. I’m very very high on Christian wood. I’m willing to outbid for him

I’d trade k ox into draft of it helped me get what I want. We need better shooters which will also help Barrett slashing

smackeddog wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:
He’s a quality pro pass first pg. he has excellent assist to to ratio. He’s a good penetrator. When you penetrate and pass first. Usually U get good looks for others.

Most of these young Pgs— which one do u see as coming in and making a material
Difference right away?

Payton is a good guard, but he like so many other PGs needs a consistent shot. I'm looking at the guard from Alabama, Kira Lewis as bringing a nice blend of speed and good shooting to the floor. He does have areas of improvement like most players, but his skillset is tantalizing.

My main issue with Payton (and it's a deal breaker) is his obsession with passing to Randle and his extreme reluctance to pass to RJ- I remember some stats towards the end of the season that showed the ridiculous extent of his passing bias, almost like he has some beef with RJ.

I think RJ wants it to be his team and that is hard to do as a rookie surrounded by Vets. They said he had a alpha personality lol.

knicks1248 wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

I didn't blame the PG and I don't think highly of Payton (on this team anyway.)
I agree with the other posters who also don't agree with you.

I agree with the bold, the knicks kept their young players mentality in complete TANK mode for the last 3 yrs. They drafted 2 of the youngest players in their draft class and never sent them to the g league for not even 1 fckng game, they watch them really struggle to defend, shoot, pass, I mean every phase of the game.

Do you think other young players look at the knicks franchise as a place they can come to develop their skills and become better player, because there is zero evidence of that happening here

Frank has not improved? You watch any games?
Knox's minutes are down year two. Why? You dont know by now your a fool.
Dotson?
Mitch?
RJ?
Emudiay?
Mario?

They all got better. Revolving door of coaches and presidents is problematic.

knicks1248 wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knox is only 20. He was 18 when he was drafted. If you draft an 18 yr old you do so planning on developing him over a few years. The Knicks have not done well by him in regards to development. He is reported to be one of if not the hardest worker on the team by the coaching staff. I don't understand the want or need to trade kids that you draft that need 3-4 years development before they start to resemble the nba player they could be.

Knicks brass is also encouraged because it considers Knox arguably the team’s hardest worker. Pre-shutdown, Knox would come to the Tarrytown campus at night to get extra shots up.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/what-nba-insiders-say-about-kevin-knoxs-messy-knicks-future/

A few things.
It’s the Knicks fault for not starting him in the g league at 18.
They could’ve developed his game slowly.

That being said Kevin Knox has now played against pro players for two years. It’s on him now one way or another to show more for the team. We can’t simply say this guy is penciled in unless he can prove he can take the spot. So the possibility of him being used as an asset in team building is there.

There are a whole lotta "shoulda's" with this team. Yeah, I wish he was brought along slowly too. I'm not sure if it hurt him mentally, his game, etc. With his higher minutes he probably habituated some bad habits. With such a young guy, you really don't want to do that. He has shown more than enough glimpses. I think this will be a really big year for the kid. Hopefully the team grows closer and plays well together and he finds his game. Do have to say, when Knox was hitting his shot at a good clip, it just looks so smooth, so wet. I want to see a PG that can create for him. I like Frank though, but I would love a PG that could be more proactive with setting up teamates. Maybe Frank can do that consistently and be more aggressive (He is still very young.) He had been showing some of that, so we can hope.

Really looking forward to the season.

Ah. Payton actually is a decent pg. Blaming his play ( Knox)on the pg position is somewhat weak no?
He could’ve played harder and smarter himself

I didn't blame the PG and I don't think highly of Payton (on this team anyway.)
I agree with the other posters who also don't agree with you.

I agree with the bold, the knicks kept their young players mentality in complete TANK mode for the last 3 yrs. They drafted 2 of the youngest players in their draft class and never sent them to the g league for not even 1 fckng game, they watch them really struggle to defend, shoot, pass, I mean every phase of the game.

Do you think other young players look at the knicks franchise as a place they can come to develop their skills and become better player, because there is zero evidence of that happening here

Agreed, and in my post I even said as much regarding mentally stunting him. I actually had mentioned the G league before shortening my post. Not having any time down there is a crime against both the coaching staff and Knox.

Young players might want playing time for that next check and not development per se. Of course they want to develop, but I'm not sure how they look at us tbh. Bueller?