Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Oh please with the "veterans have had a problem with Isiah". Reggie Miller has never uttered a bad word about Isiah Thomas. Nor has Allan Houston. Nor Penny Hardaway. Not even Kurt Thomas. When Isiah was fired from Indy, that was the perfect time for Reggie Miller to say that he didn't like Isiah and echo all of the things that Shandon has said. Instead, Reggie said nothing but good things.

Shandon's argument of "veterans have a problem with him" is weak. It's more like Shandon and Deke are players that Isiah feels doesn't fit into the program so he's looking into trades. The Celts were looking for a taker for Antoine Walker for ions and he never publically copped an attitude. Same goes for Latrell Sprewell....and even Charlie Ward. Shandon (or Deke) are not the first players that had heard their name in trade rumors. Different players handle it differently. Ask Kurt Thomas.

If the papers are correct, the first event that took place was Shandon getting the DNP. Then Shandon goes public on his anti-Isiah feelings. Then Shandon misses a game. Then the whole RUMOR (not an Isiah quote) that Shandon didn't acknowledge him in the hallways. Then the playoffs where Shandon quit on the team (4pts per with an avg. of 29 minutes). Then Shandon skips the exit meeting. Shandon never even mentioned anything about Isiah doing anything to him to make him commit these actions. Chronologically, by all accounts, the first thing that made the relationship go sour was Shandon getting the DNP.

Then this. Shandon goes to the papers with direct quotes about Isiah Thomas. The only thing that Isiah has said publically is that Shandon doesn't want to play for the Knicks anymore and he's looking into trading him. Period. That may have even been too much from Isiah. But it was hardly trashing him to the media. In fact, it was already public that he was part of the original Crawford proposel.

I agree Thelonius. This is a player who tanked horribly in the minutes given to him last year, has an untradeable contract, and has given nothing but bad feelings towards the new administration when it took over.

There is no secret he is unwanted by the teams and fans alike, and I think it's always easy to blame one person (in this case Isiah) rather than look into the mirror and reflect on why his career went so far south after he signed that large contract.

He was already a bust far before Isiah got here. Isiah didn't force him to shoot .399% in his first year here when he had shot .467% two years before. He is a perfect example of how Layden had no idea what he was doing.

And there will be no choice but to pay him 24 million to leave, so maybe a small "headache" isnt such a bad price for getting paid 24 million dollars just to go away.

I personally would never pay him, and just not let him in the building.

Lampe actually said that he deserved it and was glad he got a "wake up call",more than he imagined I guess.Isiah had just gotten the job and was trying to set a tone.Lampe,if you believe the papers wasnt working hard in practice and the popcorn thing set Isiah off.Maybe he overeacted but Id rather see him read a rookie the riot act over a lack of effort and discipline then Layden offering to get him a coke to go with his snack

Posted by NYKDUNK:

The DNP is what caused this and both parties are to blame for that. Shandon should not be acting like such a baby about it, but Isiah, Lenny and co. should never have ended such an impressive streak.

I totally disagree. That game could have gone either way for NY/ATL. Forget a streak! It's about winning. Penny had it going and was doing some really good things out there. By the time the end of the game came you mean to tell me you'd say "forget about what's working for us, put Shandon in to help his streak". If you remember there was an earlier game (may have even been the very game before that) where Lenny called Shandon into the game at the end of the game to keep his streak going.

Look, the reality is, Shandon wasn't playing well. We had TT, Penny and DeMarr Johnson playing well at the 3 from time to time. Shandon was stinking it up out there and we all know it. That's why he got the DNP.

Hey, maybe Shandon know's he'll never be a star. Maybe he knows (in his heart) that he may never win a ring. Therefore, it's possible that the one thing he felt was MOST IMPORTANT was his streak. I ca understand that. But what he must understand is that a team can't bend over backwards to keep your streak going. Especially if that team is struggling. It all comes down to the W's and L's. If you're getting L's you change up your rotation and habits to get something new going. Shandon of allk people should understand this.

It's not about Shandon's streak. It's about the New York Knicks!

Posted by Nalod:

The lampe thing was lame. Lampe is only 18 coming from a mickey mouse program in europe. Blame the previous coaching staff for his bad habits, but if Isiah wanted Lampe worked harder and taught, then he would have been. To label him the press as not having good habits was covering his tracks in the event Lampe grows up big time. He can always say he had "bad habits". What, some popcorn a halftime is so bad? Hell, it ain't like he was pullin on a crack pipe in the basement? He is taking a chance with Vin, and was willing to do so with Leon, and Lampe was so much the worse? Im bias, I liked that kid! If its true he did not have to trade him that would suck. Its done, we move on!

But lets face it, Isiah has a bad side to him but as fans we won't see any impact other than a few "rude" comments. This organzation needed a ruthless SOB!

As I said before, it will come back to haunt him one day. His olympic deletion via his Airness was bad business and a shame, but Isiah wants to deal at a high level, and he got hurt.

nalod, I agree, I always liked lampe, now after seeing him play a few times more, I am backing down on my previous statements of him being a potentially great player to being a potentially good player. I think he will be better than Doleac, and sundov for sure, I definately think he is a player we should have kept, and if he was a throw in to the deal, then shame on IT for that one...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Nalod:

The lampe thing was lame. Lampe is only 18 coming from a mickey mouse program in europe. Blame the previous coaching staff for his bad habits, but if Isiah wanted Lampe worked harder and taught, then he would have been. To label him the press as not having good habits was covering his tracks in the event Lampe grows up big time. He can always say he had "bad habits". What, some popcorn a halftime is so bad? Hell, it ain't like he was pullin on a crack pipe in the basement? He is taking a chance with Vin, and was willing to do so with Leon, and Lampe was so much the worse? Im bias, I liked that kid! If its true he did not have to trade him that would suck. Its done, we move on!

But lets face it, Isiah has a bad side to him but as fans we won't see any impact other than a few "rude" comments. This organzation needed a ruthless SOB!

As I said before, it will come back to haunt him one day. His olympic deletion via his Airness was bad business and a shame, but Isiah wants to deal at a high level, and he got hurt.

nalod, I agree, I always liked lampe, now after seeing him play a few times more, I am backing down on my previous statements of him being a potentially great player to being a potentially good player. I think he will be better than Doleac, and sundov for sure, I definately think he is a player we should have kept, and if he was a throw in to the deal, then shame on IT for that one...

He is mobile, 7ft tall, and can shoot. A true Euro. At 18 the rest can be taught. I don't think we had that kind of time to develope hiim here. Its all been said before!

Layden handled the Sprewell situation just as bad and Sprewell has a lot more respect around the league than Anderson. And that doesn't seem to be as big of a deal anymore.

I hope they can get a Shandon Anderson buyout worked out and move on
soon.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Layden handled the Sprewell situation just as bad and Sprewell has a lot more respect around the league than Anderson.

i think Shandon has more respect around the league than Spree, at least among coaches & upper management...remember, you're talking about the same guy who choked his coach & was kicked out of the game for a year...among players, i'm sure you're right though...but players use a different scale to judge respect than professionalism & attitude...if you got game, you got respect.

just to add, Spree didn't quite handle himself well in that debacle either...his tirade at the garden was 1 of the more ugly moments of last season.

he'll end up playing for the heat or rockets.

Posted by mintyfreshness33:

damn i feel kinda bad for shandon

It's not Thomas' fault he sucks