Randle would be really strong surrounded by that Bucks cast. Lopez & Middleton providing defensive length and spacing, with Bledsoe to set him up yada yada yada. But Mitch has the higher ceiling than Randle and will eventually be our starting center getting 30 or more mins a night. Surrounding Mitch with 3 & D wings and forawrds will give him ample spacing to be the force he has the potential to be. While making the team elite defensively. RJ will be groomed as the closer unless the future G shows to be superior.

newyorknewyork wrote:Don't love the spacing between Mitch, Randle, RJ. All 3 of them want to attack the rim and aren't strong shooters. Not to mention the PG that plays with them. The spacing would be pretty poor for him. Basically putting a cap on what they all excell at.

Randle would be really strong surrounded by that Bucks cast. Lopez & Middleton providing defensive length and spacing, with Bledsoe to set him up yada yada yada. But Mitch has the higher ceiling than Randle and will eventually be our starting center getting 30 or more mins a night. Surrounding Mitch with 3 & D wings and forawrds will give him ample spacing to be the force he has the potential to be. While making the team elite defensively. RJ will be groomed as the closer unless the future G shows to be superior.

how about we first upgrade the PG position- unless you think Payton & DSjr are the answer there?

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Don't love the spacing between Mitch, Randle, RJ. All 3 of them want to attack the rim and aren't strong shooters. Not to mention the PG that plays with them. The spacing would be pretty poor for him. Basically putting a cap on what they all excell at.

Randle would be really strong surrounded by that Bucks cast. Lopez & Middleton providing defensive length and spacing, with Bledsoe to set him up yada yada yada. But Mitch has the higher ceiling than Randle and will eventually be our starting center getting 30 or more mins a night. Surrounding Mitch with 3 & D wings and forawrds will give him ample spacing to be the force he has the potential to be. While making the team elite defensively. RJ will be groomed as the closer unless the future G shows to be superior.

how about we first upgrade the PG position- unless you think Payton & DSjr are the answer there?

Why would I believe Payton or DSjr was the answer at PG?

What ever PG is brought in though would have less than ideal spacing to work with which will handcap him in some capacity. If your desperate to start Randle and want to put him in position to succeed with the team. Then gotta find a Brook Lopez, to go with that PG, as well as a 3&D wing. Continue to stagger Mitch and pair him with his shooters in the 2nd unit.

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

Randle is not a good fit with Mitch, which is why mitch isn't starting, and Randle is a starter on any team. There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that would have him coming off the bench.

If you had to bring him off the bench, that means you have a stupid ass unbalance roster or a loaded roster ( a AD, KP front court)..He's a 20/10 player...WTF

He started next to AD who's the best PF in the NBA.

Not a single? Really? I’m not even sure if Randle is better than half the 6th men in the league to be honest. And he didn’t start next to AD. At least not that many times.

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

Randle is not a good fit with Mitch, which is why mitch isn't starting, and Randle is a starter on any team. There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that would have him coming off the bench.

If you had to bring him off the bench, that means you have a stupid ass unbalance roster or a loaded roster ( a AD, KP front court)..He's a 20/10 player...WTF

He started next to AD who's the best PF in the NBA.

Mitch isn't starting because he would pick up 5 fouls in his first five minutes of play.

If something isn't broke, and Mitch has been playing well in his role, don't break it.

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

Randle is not a good fit with Mitch, which is why mitch isn't starting, and Randle is a starter on any team. There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that would have him coming off the bench.

If you had to bring him off the bench, that means you have a stupid ass unbalance roster or a loaded roster ( a AD, KP front court)..He's a 20/10 player...WTF

He started next to AD who's the best PF in the NBA.

Mitch isn't starting because he would pick up 5 fouls in his first five minutes of play.

If something isn't broke, and Mitch has been playing well in his role, don't break it.

Thats to, but i wouldn't start him unless i had 4 bonafide (39%)shoots around him

If randle is trying to post up (which he does more than not) where exactly do you think mitch will be standing, and where do you think the guy guarding Mitch will be standing..IN THE PAINT..

Are you going to get 5 other guys to compliment his game

1 Trae Young PG 4.80
2 James Harden Houston Rockets SG 4.50
3 Russell Westbrook Houston Rockets PG 4.42
4 Luka Doncic Dallas Mavericks SF 4.23
5 LeBron James Los Angeles Lakers SF 4.00
6 Devin Booker Phoenix Suns SG 3.93
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo Milwaukee Bucks SF 3.67
8 Ben Simmons Philadelphia 76ers SG 3.56
9 Andre Drummond Cleveland Cavaliers C 3.52
10 Zach LaVine Chicago Bulls PG 3.43
11 Bradley Beal Washington Wizards SG 3.38
12 Ja Morant Memphis Grizzlies PG 3.21
13 D'Angelo Russell Minnesota Timberwolves PG 3.20
14 De'Aaron Fox Sacramento Kings PG 3.13
15 Brandon Ingram New Orleans Pelicans SF 3.11
16 Nikola Jokic Denver Nuggets C 3.08
17 Lonzo Ball New Orleans Pelicans PG 3.07
18 Joel Embiid Philadelphia 76ers C 3.05
19 Julius Randle New York Knicks PF 3.00
20 Kyle Lowry PG 2.96
21 Damian Lillard Portland Trail Blazers PG 2.91
22 Jrue Holiday New Orleans Pelicans PG 2.87
23 Lou Williams L.A. Clippers SG 2.87
24 Bam Adebayo C 2.84
25 Devonte' Graham Charlotte Hornets PG 2.84
26 Kawhi Leonard L.A. Clippers SF 2.80
27 Domantas Sabonis Indiana Pacers PF 2.74
28 Spencer Dinwiddie Brooklyn Nets PG 2.70
29 Ricky Rubio Phoenix Suns PG 2.68
30 Donovan Mitchell SG 2.65

Randle # 43 with 19.3. KP is 41st. Randles numbers are better than Lamarcus Aldridge these days.
I have him 7th in scoring for the position. 4th in rebounding.
Empty? Maybe, but that's subjective. Nobody is touting him as "Untouchable" or the foundation of our franchise, but before you start disposing of him it might be a
good idea to at least have a valid back up to what is being suggested
The notion we can just replace his production and improve on it at the blink of an eye is a bit naïve.

martin wrote:Really really good article that breaks down Randle's game.

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newyorknewyork wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

Randle is not a good fit with Mitch, which is why mitch isn't starting, and Randle is a starter on any team. There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that would have him coming off the bench.

If you had to bring him off the bench, that means you have a stupid ass unbalance roster or a loaded roster ( a AD, KP front court)..He's a 20/10 player...WTF

He started next to AD who's the best PF in the NBA.

Not a single? Really? I’m not even sure if Randle is better than half the 6th men in the league to be honest. And he didn’t start next to AD. At least not that many times.

Yea he didn’t start to AD for to many gms. Randle started 49 of the 73 gms he played for the Pels. And AD played 56 total gma and played like 20mins a game after the trade deadline. But even if they started together for every gm. AD can hit threes and rim protect.

It’s harder to build around a Randle and cover his weaknesses. If you aren’t able to, Knicks will always have a cap on their potential success. Randle doesn’t offer rim protection or strong enough defense to not need a defensive player next to him. But he doesn’t hit 3s well enough to offer spacing for that defensive center and players like KP, AD, Lopez are very rare players to land. So if you have a defensive center to cover the team defensively the spacing for the PG to work with with Randle and said center would be terrible. If you go with a 3 pt shooting center who isn’t a strong defensive guy then the defense will be weak.

Looking at FAs available Marc Gasol may be one of the few players to be had that could anchor defensively while offering the ability to hit 3s and fit with Randle and Barrett for a bully ball identity. With Mitch getting a change of pace type rotation built with him for the 2nd unit.

This right here. Next season if we envision Randle and RJ starting, then everyone else need to be competent floor spacers and that will be very hard to acquire.

newyorknewyork wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:this makes no sense IMO. Next year, if the team still sucks big donkey dong, you play him as close to 40mpg as possible and you trade him. If the team is gonna be any good, well, I would imagine Randle would have to be a part of it. I get that Randle has massive holes to his game but I mean I'd rather have him at 18 mil a year than THJ

the bold. Here's how this works. Who is starting over him and why? If there is a guy who benefits from better PG play its Randle

FA class isn't the strongest but there some decent PFs out there who would be an upgrade over him in terms of overall impact

Randle is not a good fit with Mitch, which is why mitch isn't starting, and Randle is a starter on any team. There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that would have him coming off the bench.

If you had to bring him off the bench, that means you have a stupid ass unbalance roster or a loaded roster ( a AD, KP front court)..He's a 20/10 player...WTF

He started next to AD who's the best PF in the NBA.

Not a single? Really? I’m not even sure if Randle is better than half the 6th men in the league to be honest. And he didn’t start next to AD. At least not that many times.

Yea he didn’t start to AD for to many gms. Randle started 49 of the 73 gms he played for the Pels. And AD played 56 total gma and played like 20mins a game after the trade deadline. But even if they started together for every gm. AD can hit threes and rim protect.

It’s harder to build around a Randle and cover his weaknesses. If you aren’t able to, Knicks will always have a cap on their potential success. Randle doesn’t offer rim protection or strong enough defense to not need a defensive player next to him. But he doesn’t hit 3s well enough to offer spacing for that defensive center and players like KP, AD, Lopez are very rare players to land. So if you have a defensive center to cover the team defensively the spacing for the PG to work with with Randle and said center would be terrible. If you go with a 3 pt shooting center who isn’t a strong defensive guy then the defense will be weak.

Looking at FAs available Marc Gasol may be one of the few players to be had that could anchor defensively while offering the ability to hit 3s and fit with Randle and Barrett for a bully ball identity. With Mitch getting a change of pace type rotation built with him for the 2nd unit.

Not saying this is your premise but I'm much more interested in finding a PF to compliment Mitch rather than a Center to compliment Randle.