Neither seems to work so maybe acquiring another pick, a young prospect and a veteran leader is worth the next two years of development. If Paul can help Frank, DSJr (if here) and/or a possible PG in this year's draft - that could really help us long-term. I'm not sure which Paul we would be getting (LAC, Hou or OKC vet), but it is reported he's been a good influence on the young guys at OKC. If I was OKC, I would hold on to Paul for at least one more year since they're competing at a much higher level than many would have thought after losing P.George last season.

SupremeCommander wrote:let's go to make believeland for a second.

Let's say we can trade guys with buyouts for CP3 (is that even possible?).

Let's say we sign Melo.

CP3
RJ
Melo
Randle
Mitch

that's not good enough to make the playoffs in the east? Wouldn't it take some pressure off our yoots?

I am not interested in paying anything of value for CP3. But I am not necessarily against absorbing him. Ideally we would get a pick or two for paying that albatross. But the only thing worse about that contract is our roster's talent level

I don’t think the fan base would be happy with this. But I would admit that the team could win some games with that lineup. But it would seem to me we would want to get a pg in the draft. If that is the case, does it really make sense to trade for Paul when that means you essentially have to start him for the next two years. Having Melo and CP3 will be fun for about two months and then will likely implode like the last three seasons.

Knixkik wrote:

TheGame wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:let's go to make believeland for a second.

Let's say we can trade guys with buyouts for CP3 (is that even possible?).

Let's say we sign Melo.

CP3
RJ
Melo
Randle
Mitch

that's not good enough to make the playoffs in the east? Wouldn't it take some pressure off our yoots?

I am not interested in paying anything of value for CP3. But I am not necessarily against absorbing him. Ideally we would get a pick or two for paying that albatross. But the only thing worse about that contract is our roster's talent level

I don’t think the fan base would be happy with this. But I would admit that the team could win some games with that lineup. But it would seem to me we would want to get a pg in the draft. If that is the case, does it really make sense to trade for Paul when that means you essentially have to start him for the next two years. Having Melo and CP3 will be fun for about two months and then will likely implode like the last three seasons.

If you bring in melo you have to move Randle 100%.

Think you have to move Randle 100% anyways

With regards to CP3, I don't think we're getting any big FA's in 2021, so I'm not too bothered about the contract/cap hit. But the 2021 draft is looking like a good one- we just need one more losing season and we'll have 2 1st round picks in it. I'd rather we were patient for just one more season.

Uptown wrote:Chris Paul is one of my favorite players in the NBA but I would pass on this trade....Knicks should be in full rebuild mode, developing our young players and collecting assets. Paul would take a huge chunk out of our salary cap which would make us less flexible. Getting Paul here would no doubt cost us a 1st round pick. We should be in the business of collecting assets not moving them, at least not for a player who is past his prime. To make matters worse, I'm afraid that it stop with Paul.

With that said, the handwriting is on the wall. Strike out on KD and Kyrie so we fire Fiz, Mills,and Perry possibly on the chopping block. Dolan hires Rose because he has connections. This is the 4th year in a row that we have seen a decline in attendance. The circus is back in town and circling the garden. Dolan seems desperate, for the sake of the franchise, I hope I'm wrong.

we have been doing that since phil was hired, and have recorded two 17 win seasons, the worse ever for a franchise that's 50+ yr's old, and it's obvious development isn't the knicks strongest suite.

Mills was a disaster of epic proportions, so was Fizdale, and perry is below avg.

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Chris Paul is one of my favorite players in the NBA but I would pass on this trade....Knicks should be in full rebuild mode, developing our young players and collecting assets. Paul would take a huge chunk out of our salary cap which would make us less flexible. Getting Paul here would no doubt cost us a 1st round pick. We should be in the business of collecting assets not moving them, at least not for a player who is past his prime. To make matters worse, I'm afraid that it stop with Paul.

With that said, the handwriting is on the wall. Strike out on KD and Kyrie so we fire Fiz, Mills,and Perry possibly on the chopping block. Dolan hires Rose because he has connections. This is the 4th year in a row that we have seen a decline in attendance. The circus is back in town and circling the garden. Dolan seems desperate, for the sake of the franchise, I hope I'm wrong.

we have been doing that since phil was hired, and have recorded two 17 win seasons, the worse ever for a franchise that's 50+ yr's old, and it's obvious development isn't the knicks strongest suite.

Mills was a disaster of epic proportions, so was Fizdale, and perry is below avg.

That isn't accurate and was one of the main critics oF Phil's tenure. The fact that he didn't commit to full rebuild and tried to do a half and half. Knicks didn't go full rebuild until Perry traded Melo in 2017.

2 FIRST ROUND PICKS is FAIR if you're paying CP3 another $83 million dollars in 2020-2022.

newyorknewyork wrote:The blueprint I would look to follow though in building the roster going forward (with inspiration from that Houston game). Is 2 featured scorers surrounded by lengthy defensive guys. With high end point per second players sprinked in. With Houston gm as the example RJ & Randle offerd the scoring punch. While Frank-Harkless-Mitch provided clutch defensive stops. Portis & Ellington produced high end pps with their 18-19mins.

Maneuvering the roster to have this type of balance is key imo with some building blocks already in place.

Someone has to be able to shoot the ball though. With CP3 rumors, at least he can make open threes. A lineup including RJ and Mitch (or Randle) must include at least 2 high volume accurate 3pt shooters. Frank and Harkless are solid defensive guys but can't have them both sharing the floor with RJ and Randle and/or Mitch or teams will just pack it in. Replace Randle with Gallinari and Payton with Chris Paul and we are onto something.

Knixkik wrote:

TheGame wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:let's go to make believeland for a second.

Let's say we can trade guys with buyouts for CP3 (is that even possible?).

Let's say we sign Melo.

CP3
RJ
Melo
Randle
Mitch

that's not good enough to make the playoffs in the east? Wouldn't it take some pressure off our yoots?

I am not interested in paying anything of value for CP3. But I am not necessarily against absorbing him. Ideally we would get a pick or two for paying that albatross. But the only thing worse about that contract is our roster's talent level

I don’t think the fan base would be happy with this. But I would admit that the team could win some games with that lineup. But it would seem to me we would want to get a pg in the draft. If that is the case, does it really make sense to trade for Paul when that means you essentially have to start him for the next two years. Having Melo and CP3 will be fun for about two months and then will likely implode like the last three seasons.

If you bring in melo you have to move Randle 100%.

Agreed. I do not want to watch Melo watching Stat-Dribbling-Off-His-Feet-Out-Of-Bounds Part Deux. With no breaks because Randle seems more durable than AmareIceKnees.

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:Taking on CP3 for 2019-2020 was no big deal for OKC. But they got Houston's draft picks because they would have to pay CP3 two more years at 40 mil. If we have to absorb those last two years then we should extract the same premium from OKC.

2 FIRST ROUND PICKS is FAIR if you're paying CP3 another $83 million dollars in 2020-2022.

Part of the giving up the 2 draft picks was to get a better player though too, right?

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:Taking on CP3 for 2019-2020 was no big deal for OKC. But they got Houston's draft picks because they would have to pay CP3 two more years at 40 mil. If we have to absorb those last two years then we should extract the same premium from OKC.

2 FIRST ROUND PICKS is FAIR if you're paying CP3 another $83 million dollars in 2020-2022.

Part of the giving up the 2 draft picks was to get a better player though too, right?

its a fair arguement but no way Knicks should make that deal if they arent getting a #1 back. There just arent teams in the league that help you out by absorbing $40mm on one player. If that isnt worth at least a modest asset in return what is?

May be cliche but he is more of a Euro type player that would fit right in with Frank, RJ, Mitch