BigDaddyG wrote:

GT2AM wrote:Seems like Miller's theory is for young guys to grow in practice and then get quality minutes (rather that just quantity run for the sake of minutes) in the game. They got to produce, what they practiced, in the NBA games. Trier was doing the same stuff, like getting taken out on every screen, that he was doing last year. So he hasn't been growing in practice enough to warrant court time.

Yeah, but Fiz actually started this guy in the first game if the season. I understand his weaknesses and I won't advocate that we start him. But how does a guy go from being seen as a starter to being the last option in the bench? There's a huge middle ground there which leads me to believe that there is more to this story. You're telling me Triz isn't good enough to get a couple of minutes to see if he's cooking during offensive droughts?

exactly. throw in he adds competitiveness too (i don't see him sulk out on the court), chase down blocks, etc.

for a while i was wondering if he had some lingering injury but now i'm convinced there's something else going on like a Latrell Sprewell PJ Carlismo thing

he is not a complete player but still...

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:When he shoots, i expect it to go in. He may be the only guard on the entire team that I feel that way about; maybe the only player on the team

One may think that perhaps he's riding pine for his defense, but if that were the reason he should have a lot more company

So what gives exactly? I'm at a loss for a rational explanation. Wondering if this is GM driven, having coaches play their new FAs or DSJ instead???

I like his aggressiveness at times, and he clearly can shoot and finish, but he doesn't play winning basketball, he plays hero ball, Shoot and ask questions later ball. He needs to play more unselfish, regardless if he's hot or not.

when he gets it going, everybody else mind as well head back to the locker room, because he ain't passing the ball unless he gets trapped by 4 defenders.

he's been doing this since high school

For the first time in a long while we agree on an assessment.

I always thought it strange that Trier and Deandre Ayton couldn't do much better that one year they were together. A super dominant big and a high level guard, but the ingredients for failure are there.

i have 5 reactions to this

1) I agree with the bold

2) he should still have a role -- Vinny The Microwave comes to mind.

3) is he progressing or regressing in this regard? For example, his true shooting percentage etc is high. it's not like he's being a ball hog and then shoots 40% like a former Knick now playing for Portland.

4) am i alone in feeling that someone like Dewayne Casey (or any of a number of other good coaches) would find a way to better utilize this skill. I think of Demar DeRozan with Casey in Toronto.

5) Bullock and Ellington are getting more minutes than Trier??? Knox??

mystified

Agreed with everything you are saying...Been saying this all year! Zo was damn-near 50-40-80 last year and one would think on a team that can't shoot straight, we can find mins for him. On a team that is supposed to be rebuilding, and developing its youth, how the hell can the teams best shooter not find a spot in the rotation? Zo was clearly better than Knox last year, is a better shooter and scorer than Dot.

Feels like there is something going on behind the scenes that we are not seeing. He will be another in the long line of former Knicks who will thrive elsewhere

Zo was 45-40-80 last year, which is a big difference from 50-40-80. His eFG% was < .500, which is not really that good. His assists to TO were nearly 2-to-2 last year per 22 minutes, which is poor.

Iso guy, so poor team offensive player. Easily picked and very poor team defender, so both a bad individual and team defender. Ball stopper.

Both Fiz and Miller thought this guy would not help the team even though the Knicks greatest weakness is outside shooting, which is exactly his strength.

So...... is this that hard to figure out?

Zo's efg% is .51 for his short career and .57 this year which may not be that good, yet RJ is sitting @ .43, Frank is @ .42 and Knox is @ .44.

It's well understood what Zo's weaknesses are; an iso, ball stopper who can get buckets in bunches, good shooter but is a poor defender. That label can be placed on a bunch of 6th men who have played in the NBA from Lou Williams (efg% .48), to Jamal Crawford (efg%. 48), and Bobby Jackson (efg% .47), etc...I'm not calling for starter minutes. just a spot in the rotation, especially on a team that preached rebuilding last year. Especially on a team loaded with poor shooters particularly in the back court. It makes no sense to me why journeymen like Bullock, who has not been good at all and Ellington get looks before Zo on a team that is supposed to be rebuilding.

Fiz and Miller not playing Zo could be an indictment on Zo....or it could be an indictment on them. Fiz has had 2 jobs and couldn't finish 2 complete seasons at either spot, and Miller is an interim coach whose claim to fame is the G league. We've seen many players over the years struggle early in their careers due to a bad fit with a particular coach or system, only to blossom elsewhere. Dale Ellis was one of the best shooters in the history of the league barely sniffed the court for Dick Motta. He flourished and turned into an allstar under Bernie Bickerstaff in Seattle...Not saying Zo will be the next Ellis, but coaches are prone to make bad decisions as well....

Good points. Except i like Miller a lot. I have a stronger feeling this is driven by upper mgmt. Not a good look if they play Trier over ellington and bullock and DSJ and kk (who i still like and have hope for) and frank and maybe even RJ (when he's going 1 for 7). I mean it's not like he's buried on the bench because our team is good

also i don't get the comments about picks and this has plagued him. Last year and even for parts of this we were switching on everything.

and to be clear, i think he and everyone else needs to earn minutes. I'm just mystified that we look at him and say he's earned no minutes but DSJ can go out there and play stupid 90% of the time.

I also don't think he leveraged KD relationship for his payday. Instead i think the thought was he was one of those rare UDFA finds

and while we call him selfish (and he is) he probably ranks behind Portis, Randle and DSJ in that department

Then when does even a hint of common sense come into play?

RJ Dot Bullock Wayne. That’s 4 guys ahead of Trier with RJ starting all but 1 game at SG and averaging 30 minutes.

DJ has played but mostly as a backup and when injuries have set in.