smackeddog wrote:The absolute minimum would have to include our first rounder for this year (unprotected)- no thanks! The warriors have an even worse record than us despite having a better system and better coach, DLo has done nothing to make that team win, why would it be any different here?

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-knicks-have-interest-in-trading-for-warriors-dangelo-russell/312624436

The Knicks have registered interest with Golden State about trading for D'Angelo Russell, league sources confirm.

It's unclear how far along talks have gone, but Bobby Portis is one name that came up in the conversations, per SNY sources.

Per SNY sources, Frank Ntilikina's name has also come up in conversations between the Knicks and Warriors around Russell.

Some people around Russell said over the summer that he was open to the possibility of signing with New York because he liked the city and he was intrigued by the idea of competing so closely with the Nets -- the team that decided to sign Kyrie Irving instead of bringing him back.

I like him next to RJ, and if they want Portis, Frank and Payton, that's a good deal. Plus they will have a top draft pick, upgrade the back up pg. Think frank around curry and klay would be good for him

No way in hell are we getting Russ for that package. This yrs unprotected 1st would get the Warriors to answer the phone and then you start from there. Portis and Payton are 2 average journeymen who walk this summer. So going into next season, Frank will be the only player under contract for the Warriors. That trade as it
stands is laughable.

They want Cap relief..They are schedule to pay over 75 mill in Luxury taxes,Im sure some draft picks will be involve.

The draft is a crap shoot, we have 4 lottery picks (KP, Frank, Knox, RJ) in 5 yrs..we are not very good at that, knowing us, we'll end up with another project

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The absolute minimum would have to include our first rounder for this year (unprotected)- no thanks! The warriors have an even worse record than us despite having a better system and better coach, DLo has done nothing to make that team win, why would it be any different here?

Why do you assume that? GS is NOT good, DRuss is NOT helping them win anything, and when Klay/Curry come back with is DRussell's role? If some team like Minn can pony up some first rounder(s) than good for GS, but I dont see why that is a given. Its going to be worse in the offseason when EVERYONE knows they are trying to trade him. At least by that time Portis is off the books, they are not in the luxury zone and maybe they walk away liking Dotson, or we include DS (I would prefer to keep Frank as a role player behind DRuss/RJ/Trier and the other guys who dont play any D)

Difficult to fault Russ for not helping the team win when it's clear they are in tank mode. He did help the Nets advance into the playoffs and had the team playing better than they are playing this year. IMO, a first round pick will have to be included to get the Warriors listening. If thats too much, than more than likely he wont be coming to NY.

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The absolute minimum would have to include our first rounder for this year (unprotected)- no thanks! The warriors have an even worse record than us despite having a better system and better coach, DLo has done nothing to make that team win, why would it be any different here?

Why do you assume that? GS is NOT good, DRuss is NOT helping them win anything, and when Klay/Curry come back with is DRussell's role? If some team like Minn can pony up some first rounder(s) than good for GS, but I dont see why that is a given. Its going to be worse in the offseason when EVERYONE knows they are trying to trade him. At least by that time Portis is off the books, they are not in the luxury zone and maybe they walk away liking Dotson, or we include DS (I would prefer to keep Frank as a role player behind DRuss/RJ/Trier and the other guys who dont play any D)

Difficult to fault Russ for not helping the team win when it's clear they are in tank mode. He did help the Nets advance into the playoffs and had the team playing better than they are playing this year. IMO, a first round pick will have to be included to get the Warriors listening. If thats too much, than more than likely he wont be coming to NY.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors go for this deal I don’t think you can do much better for a guy who’s going to be a free agent next year .... we’d have to get a promise from Russell and his agent that he’d be resigning with us

Russell is signed for 4 years and $117mm.

GS trades him for expiring contracts because they realize that deal is stupid and likely isnt getting better offers in the offseason when EVERY team is going to know they are desperate to trade him with Curry/Klay coming back.

Best bet with DRuss is expiring deals and a guy like Dotson.

Don't know. It's a known secret that Minnesota desperately wants D-Lo. There is definitely going to be a bidding war if we continue pursuit.

No way GS is getting picks. ISiah Thomas is out of the league. They are paying Curry/Klay $80mm a year for the next two years. They are in the tax. They cant just sit and trade DRuss this offseason. They need contracts that expire THIS year.

They didnt even want this guy. Everyone knew they wanted to flip him.

Russell is ok. His contract sucks. He helps us if the cost is expiring guys.

I disagree. They are definitely getting picks. There are reports that Mook can fetch a first-round pick. You think Russell can't fetch picks? That said, I'd prefer that we didn't make a move like until the FO is more stable.

Maybe you are right, but FRPs arent helping GS if they cant get out of the tax and save money. Generally you trade for one, not both. GS is not getting salary relief AND assets back for what is a huge contract attached to a medium impact player. We'll see. Only takes one dummy to overpay. Hopefully Knicks stand pat

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors go for this deal I don’t think you can do much better for a guy who’s going to be a free agent next year .... we’d have to get a promise from Russell and his agent that he’d be resigning with us

Russell is signed for 4 years and $117mm.

GS trades him for expiring contracts because they realize that deal is stupid and likely isnt getting better offers in the offseason when EVERY team is going to know they are desperate to trade him with Curry/Klay coming back.

Best bet with DRuss is expiring deals and a guy like Dotson.

Don't know. It's a known secret that Minnesota desperately wants D-Lo. There is definitely going to be a bidding war if we continue pursuit.

No way GS is getting picks. ISiah Thomas is out of the league. They are paying Curry/Klay $80mm a year for the next two years. They are in the tax. They cant just sit and trade DRuss this offseason. They need contracts that expire THIS year.

They didnt even want this guy. Everyone knew they wanted to flip him.

Russell is ok. His contract sucks. He helps us if the cost is expiring guys.

Doubt GS envisioned flipping Russell for Frank when they got him from the nets. Portis and Payton are walking this summer so he would be the only player left on their roster. They will mos def try to get a pick and a young player for Russ.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-warriors-want-draft-picks-dangelo-russell-trade-t-wolves

BigDaddyG wrote:

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Hope we don’t cave in, suspect we will

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors go for this deal I don’t think you can do much better for a guy who’s going to be a free agent next year .... we’d have to get a promise from Russell and his agent that he’d be resigning with us

Russell is signed for 4 years and $117mm.

GS trades him for expiring contracts because they realize that deal is stupid and likely isnt getting better offers in the offseason when EVERY team is going to know they are desperate to trade him with Curry/Klay coming back.

Best bet with DRuss is expiring deals and a guy like Dotson.

Don't know. It's a known secret that Minnesota desperately wants D-Lo. There is definitely going to be a bidding war if we continue pursuit.

No way GS is getting picks. ISiah Thomas is out of the league. They are paying Curry/Klay $80mm a year for the next two years. They are in the tax. They cant just sit and trade DRuss this offseason. They need contracts that expire THIS year.

They didnt even want this guy. Everyone knew they wanted to flip him.

Russell is ok. His contract sucks. He helps us if the cost is expiring guys.

I disagree. They are definitely getting picks. There are reports that Mook can fetch a first-round pick. You think Russell can't fetch picks? That said, I'd prefer that we didn't make a move like until the FO is more stable.

If they can get picks then more power to them. The only teams that should be giving up picks for Russel are those needing him as a final type piece. And even then, it should be a protected lesser 1st rounder or else it would be ****ty negotiating. His salary is $27+ million escalating to $31+ million over the next 3.5 years. An astute GM would leverage the GS position to reduce salary cap. They will be paying an estimated $10 million in tax and are less than $3 MM from the Apron with 3 Max players (all of them guards) on roster - two of whom will not be back until next year.

foosballnick wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors go for this deal I don’t think you can do much better for a guy who’s going to be a free agent next year .... we’d have to get a promise from Russell and his agent that he’d be resigning with us

Russell is signed for 4 years and $117mm.

GS trades him for expiring contracts because they realize that deal is stupid and likely isnt getting better offers in the offseason when EVERY team is going to know they are desperate to trade him with Curry/Klay coming back.

Best bet with DRuss is expiring deals and a guy like Dotson.

Don't know. It's a known secret that Minnesota desperately wants D-Lo. There is definitely going to be a bidding war if we continue pursuit.

No way GS is getting picks. ISiah Thomas is out of the league. They are paying Curry/Klay $80mm a year for the next two years. They are in the tax. They cant just sit and trade DRuss this offseason. They need contracts that expire THIS year.

They didnt even want this guy. Everyone knew they wanted to flip him.

Russell is ok. His contract sucks. He helps us if the cost is expiring guys.

I disagree. They are definitely getting picks. There are reports that Mook can fetch a first-round pick. You think Russell can't fetch picks? That said, I'd prefer that we didn't make a move like until the FO is more stable.

If they can get picks then more power to them. The only teams that should be giving up picks for Russel are those needing him as a final type piece. And even then, it should be a protected lesser 1st rounder or else it would be ****ty negotiating. His salary is $27+ million escalating to $31+ million over the next 3.5 years. An astute GM would leverage the GS position to reduce salary cap. They will be paying an estimated $10 million in tax and are less than $3 MM from the Apron with 3 Max players (all of them guards) on roster - two of whom will not be back until next year.

I dont mind being a buyer if the deal is right. Elf/Portis/Dotson works.

jskinny35 wrote:I think D.Russell has some strengths that would help - he is a solid outside shooter, he does seem to have the capability to take over in pressure situations. Of course he plays little defense, has that lockeroom incident (back on Lakers) which could be indication he's not great for chemistry. He would pair well next to RJ or Frank. Assuming he's considered better then the PG's available picking 4-6 (Knick luck) - I think this is the most I could live with...

Portis, Knox, Trier, Payton or Frank, Dallas 1st rounder (they could also take Randle and/or DSJr in some combination if that helps)

We could then trade DSJr to Minn (who may be more motivated if they miss out on DR) to pick up another asset.

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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This is exactly what I said in the other thread....it will take a 1st and Mitch to get Russ here.

Fuck that ****. That's too much.