knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh, just did a bit of research to see what picks Knicks have had.

I don't mean to suggest that Knicks are good at it but the pool of draft picks the Knicks HAVE had has been slim. Not having draft picks is also their fault.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-history/all/3/all/

Lottery picks over last 35 years:

1986 - Kenny Walker at #5.
1991 - Greg Anthony #12
2003 - Mike Sweetney #9
2005 - Channing Frye #8
2008 - Gallo #6
2009 - Jordan Hill #8
2015 - KP #4
2017 - Frank #8
2018 - Knox #9
2019 - RJ #3

35 yrs..10 lottery picks, and not one became an all star...wow

It is extremely difficult to develop in NYC, which is why I never had a problem of trading picks for "ready now" more establish players like a Sprewell or LJ. Players that you know have the work ethic and passion for winning and can shoot.

When fizdale said most of his young players are up all night playing "fortnight, call of duty and other addictive games" thats just additional distraction from all the other distractions playing in NY.

RJ does look like he has the best shot at becoming at least an all star, but we are going to have to put some really good players around him.

Trading all picks away does make it difficult to get anything to develop.
And what this method results? Getting a bunch washed out, one-sided, and bad character stars with predictable result of losing.
Firing coaches and execs, constant drama and totalitarian culture in the organization.
And finally complete moral and basketball bankruptcy and bunch of fans who does not have a clue what winning bbal is.

jskinny35 wrote:LJ stats didn't compare to Mase (post Knicks) but he did improve team chemistry and added an outside shot which helped us in the playoffs. Spree was the only player that could replace the beloved Starks at the time - those were good years to be a proud fan!

RJ seems exceptional mature young man wit intensity. Knox I have read noting but good work habits about him. RJ is a very complete young man. Kevin biology just might not have caught up to his professional demands but that does not mean game over for him. Could mean his is to blossom. Works both ways.

knicks1248 wrote:
35 yrs..10 lottery picks, and not one became an all star...wow

KP?

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh, just did a bit of research to see what picks Knicks have had.

I don't mean to suggest that Knicks are good at it but the pool of draft picks the Knicks HAVE had has been slim. Not having draft picks is also their fault.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-history/all/3/all/

Lottery picks over last 35 years:

1986 - Kenny Walker at #5.
1991 - Greg Anthony #12
2003 - Mike Sweetney #9
2005 - Channing Frye #8
2008 - Gallo #6
2009 - Jordan Hill #8
2015 - KP #4
2017 - Frank #8
2018 - Knox #9
2019 - RJ #3

35 yrs..10 lottery picks, and not one became an all star...wow

It is extremely difficult to develop in NYC, which is why I never had a problem of trading picks for "ready now" more establish players like a Sprewell or LJ. Players that you know have the work ethic and passion for winning and can shoot.

When fizdale said most of his young players are up all night playing "fortnight, call of duty and other addictive games" thats just additional distraction from all the other distractions playing in NY.

RJ does look like he has the best shot at becoming at least an all star, but we are going to have to put some really good players around him.

Trading all picks away does make it difficult to get anything to develop.
And what this method results? Getting a bunch washed out, one-sided, and bad character stars with predictable result of losing.
Firing coaches and execs, constant drama and totalitarian culture in the organization.
And finally complete moral and basketball bankruptcy and bunch of fans who does not have a clue what winning bbal is.

Just because Isiah or Layden did that, doesn't mean every GM/president will target those types of veterans..

That's like saying every GM we get will draft frank/knox type of talent

Right... its almost as stupid as blaming the coaches who have been here like 20 minutes for 20 years of developmental failure, but you are totally comfortable doing that. Nothing has hurt the Knicks more than trading picks in the last 25+ years, nothing. Not to mention the veteran types you covet dont move the needle. Bledoe, Rose.... who do you want to trade picks for? Tell us the player(s)

Trae, Ja, clarke, fox, lillard, PG13, olapido, Gannis..

But it depends on what we already have, and what we need...

Martin just posted all the players we drafted and not many of them had any real success in NY, all got traded.

under MILLs we have been tanking for role players

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh, just did a bit of research to see what picks Knicks have had.

I don't mean to suggest that Knicks are good at it but the pool of draft picks the Knicks HAVE had has been slim. Not having draft picks is also their fault.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-history/all/3/all/

Lottery picks over last 35 years:

1986 - Kenny Walker at #5.
1991 - Greg Anthony #12
2003 - Mike Sweetney #9
2005 - Channing Frye #8
2008 - Gallo #6
2009 - Jordan Hill #8
2015 - KP #4
2017 - Frank #8
2018 - Knox #9
2019 - RJ #3

35 yrs..10 lottery picks, and not one became an all star...wow

It is extremely difficult to develop in NYC, which is why I never had a problem of trading picks for "ready now" more establish players like a Sprewell or LJ. Players that you know have the work ethic and passion for winning and can shoot.

When fizdale said most of his young players are up all night playing "fortnight, call of duty and other addictive games" thats just additional distraction from all the other distractions playing in NY.

RJ does look like he has the best shot at becoming at least an all star, but we are going to have to put some really good players around him.

Trading all picks away does make it difficult to get anything to develop.
And what this method results? Getting a bunch washed out, one-sided, and bad character stars with predictable result of losing.
Firing coaches and execs, constant drama and totalitarian culture in the organization.
And finally complete moral and basketball bankruptcy and bunch of fans who does not have a clue what winning bbal is.

Just because Isiah or Layden did that, doesn't mean every GM/president will target those types of veterans..

That's like saying every GM we get will draft frank/knox type of talent

Right... its almost as stupid as blaming the coaches who have been here like 20 minutes for 20 years of developmental failure, but you are totally comfortable doing that. Nothing has hurt the Knicks more than trading picks in the last 25+ years, nothing. Not to mention the veteran types you covet dont move the needle. Bledoe, Rose.... who do you want to trade picks for? Tell us the player(s)

Trae, Ja, clarke, fox, lillard, PG13, olapido, Gannis..

But it depends on what we already have, and what we need...

Martin just posted all the players we drafted and not many of them had any real success in NY, all got traded.

under MILLs we have been tanking for role players

You forgot AD, LeBron, Mitchell, Tatum, Booker, Doncic, Zion, steph, pre Achilles Durant

Just trade for them already!

What is Mills DOING?!?!

The knicks traded first round picks when they consider themselves to be a piece or 2 away from being a legit contender..which most contenders are willing to do.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh, just did a bit of research to see what picks Knicks have had.

I don't mean to suggest that Knicks are good at it but the pool of draft picks the Knicks HAVE had has been slim. Not having draft picks is also their fault.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-history/all/3/all/

Lottery picks over last 35 years:

1986 - Kenny Walker at #5.
1991 - Greg Anthony #12
2003 - Mike Sweetney #9
2005 - Channing Frye #8
2008 - Gallo #6
2009 - Jordan Hill #8
2015 - KP #4
2017 - Frank #8
2018 - Knox #9
2019 - RJ #3

35 yrs..10 lottery picks, and not one became an all star...wow

It is extremely difficult to develop in NYC, which is why I never had a problem of trading picks for "ready now" more establish players like a Sprewell or LJ. Players that you know have the work ethic and passion for winning and can shoot.

When fizdale said most of his young players are up all night playing "fortnight, call of duty and other addictive games" thats just additional distraction from all the other distractions playing in NY.

RJ does look like he has the best shot at becoming at least an all star, but we are going to have to put some really good players around him.

Trading all picks away does make it difficult to get anything to develop.
And what this method results? Getting a bunch washed out, one-sided, and bad character stars with predictable result of losing.
Firing coaches and execs, constant drama and totalitarian culture in the organization.
And finally complete moral and basketball bankruptcy and bunch of fans who does not have a clue what winning bbal is.

Just because Isiah or Layden did that, doesn't mean every GM/president will target those types of veterans..

That's like saying every GM we get will draft frank/knox type of talent

Right... its almost as stupid as blaming the coaches who have been here like 20 minutes for 20 years of developmental failure, but you are totally comfortable doing that. Nothing has hurt the Knicks more than trading picks in the last 25+ years, nothing. Not to mention the veteran types you covet dont move the needle. Bledoe, Rose.... who do you want to trade picks for? Tell us the player(s)

Trae, Ja, clarke, fox, lillard, PG13, olapido, Gannis..

But it depends on what we already have, and what we need...

Martin just posted all the players we drafted and not many of them had any real success in NY, all got traded.

under MILLs we have been tanking for role players

You forgot AD, LeBron, Mitchell, Tatum, Booker, Doncic, Zion, steph, pre Achilles Durant

Just trade for them already!

What is Mills DOING?!?!

The knicks traded first round picks when they consider themselves to be a piece or 2 away from being a legit contender..which most contenders are willing to do.

Their considerations were wrong, they never was.
Ignorance is a bliss... but leads to failure and humiliation.

BigDaddyG wrote:Mitch isn't a rising star? I know this game is worthless, but c'mon.

Cmon?

He's not that good

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Mitch isn't a rising star? I know this game is worthless, but c'mon.

Cmon?

He's not that good

He is as far as that roster is concerned. He is easily better than Bridges and Washington from the Hornets.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Mitch isn't a rising star? I know this game is worthless, but c'mon.

Cmon?

He's not that good

**** that man, feel free to be a Knicks fan

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Mitch isn't a rising star? I know this game is worthless, but c'mon.

Cmon?

He's not that good

**** that man, feel free to be a Knicks fan

If it was up to me as a knick fan i would have voted him in.

I'm just not surprised one bit that he didn't get selected.

He's just too one dimensional, and didn't add a single offensive move to his game this off season

Centers with no perimeter game is a thing of the past, which is why Drummond and Capela are on the trading block..