JamesKPolk wrote:

arkrud wrote:Team is exactly where it should be 1 season removed from complete blowout.
KP trade was the end of old Knicks
We had nothing but future picks.
Now think about it. How long it takes to build new team in NBA?
We were worth than expansion team and still are.
Yep we can bring new FO and start over again.
It will not make this team win for many years anyways.
So what the point?

Good fantasy. The KP trade is exactly the same old Knicks. I’m on multiple Knicks forums and this seems to be the only one where there are good portion of people who are happy with terrible moves this club has done.

The point of a new front office is to try and build a winner. This front office is not capable of building a winning team. I’m not sure what you see when you watch this front office and think to yourself that these guys have the right idea. You keep talking about wins and losses. I’m talking to you about the TYPE OF PLAYERS THEY ARE GOING AFTER. Look at those players carefully. The all share similar characteristics. Most of them aren’t good characteristics. The front offices’ idea of good talent and complimentary players on a team is completely wrong.

You are going to waste away years giving these people a chance when it’s clear they have no idea what they’re doing because you are afraid someone else may do it worse? Really? What kind of thinking is this? Should no employee ever get fired again in any job because there could be someone ‘worse’ that replaces them? This idea makes no sense to me. Mills is one of the worst to ever do it anyway.

That's exactly why I come to this thread. Who wants to be around a guy that continues to beat a dead horse? We are losing, and we have been back for a long time. I don't need 100 retreads simply repeating the obvious. Like your manager tells you, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions.

blkexec wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

arkrud wrote:Team is exactly where it should be 1 season removed from complete blowout.
KP trade was the end of old Knicks
We had nothing but future picks.
Now think about it. How long it takes to build new team in NBA?
We were worth than expansion team and still are.
Yep we can bring new FO and start over again.
It will not make this team win for many years anyways.
So what the point?

Good fantasy. The KP trade is exactly the same old Knicks. I’m on multiple Knicks forums and this seems to be the only one where there are good portion of people who are happy with terrible moves this club has done.

The point of a new front office is to try and build a winner. This front office is not capable of building a winning team. I’m not sure what you see when you watch this front office and think to yourself that these guys have the right idea. You keep talking about wins and losses. I’m talking to you about the TYPE OF PLAYERS THEY ARE GOING AFTER. Look at those players carefully. The all share similar characteristics. Most of them aren’t good characteristics. The front offices’ idea of good talent and complimentary players on a team is completely wrong.

You are going to waste away years giving these people a chance when it’s clear they have no idea what they’re doing because you are afraid someone else may do it worse? Really? What kind of thinking is this? Should no employee ever get fired again in any job because there could be someone ‘worse’ that replaces them? This idea makes no sense to me. Mills is one of the worst to ever do it anyway.

That's exactly why I come to this thread. Who wants to be around a guy that continues to beat a dead horse? We are losing, and we have been back for a long time. I don't need 100 retreads simply repeating the obvious. Like your manager tells you, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions.

I don’t understand what you mean. You come into this thread to feel happiness from the Knicks losing ways?

smackeddog wrote:The worst thing is as bad as we've been, just 2 more wins and we'd end up with only the 7th best lottery odds. 4 more and we're 9th. We could still realistically end the season trying to win games/save jobs, and end up at 9th in the lottery odds! All this losing for nothing!

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:The worst thing is as bad as we've been, just 2 more wins and we'd end up with only the 7th best lottery odds. 4 more and we're 9th. We could still realistically end the season trying to win games/save jobs, and end up at 9th in the lottery odds! All this losing for nothing!

plenty of great players picked around there... Dirk, Pierce, Knox, Frank, Smith Jr...

wait! Huh? You include our 3 question marks, and then Dirk & Pierce?

I have hope that Scott Perry can start to turn things around.

You look at the best run franchises- someone like Dallas and San Antonio. They weren't always good. But slowly they got smart people in and turned into champions.

I do worry that Dolan won't let that happen. Everything I've read about him in the news, his vanity band- leads me to believe he can't have people smarter than he is.

anrst wrote:

ankurk wrote:We have a PG that with zero offense (Elfrid) and a Center that can only dunk (Mitch). Outside of the 2-3x a game where they will set up for a lob 40% of your starting lineup does nothing on offense.

it's such an indictment of everything about our franchise that mitch won't take any jumpshots

im disappointed, but it was so predictable. especially when he was at summer league and they wouldnt experiment at all.

You can blame the franchise to some degree, but as a NBA player, no one should have to force you to put in the work needed get better, and you can always tell when players work ethic is above average because it usually manifest on the floor.

Does any of our young guys have a go to move that they have mastered, or even do consistently?

Makes it tough to even know how to use them