Nalod wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I think regardless of what players like Frank, Knox, Mitch, RJ even, et al, could've, should've been/are/could be, this article spotlights what is the major problem for the Knicks to my mind. Scouting and player development. Where does one leave off and the other pick up I don't know, but history is clear enough. No long term homegrown Knicks starters, much less stars, since...forever....

Im hopeful just becuase it has not happend in a long time, does not mean it cannot. First step is a genuine effort in the right direction before apprent results.

I've seen articles where opposing organizations have said Knicks scouting is top notch. At the end of the day, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. Scouts could hype one player behind closed doors and the coach/FO can become enamored with another player because he won a one on one game during a workout. Take the Redskins for instance. The coaching staff/scouting department didn't have Haskins ranked that high, but the owner was enamored with him. Now, we got the KP pick right and we've gotten some decent undrafted, second round guys. I think we also did OK with the RJ pick. Now look at where Knox and Frank were drafter and you see that area of the lottery seems to have a much lower success rate. I think teams in general seem to get a bit more speculative when they draft in that area. Don't know why, I'm sure some draft expert could go into it more clearly. Also, age. These guys were young when they came in and weren't physical freaks. Zion doesn't know how to really play yet, but hebtowers over the competition physically and athletically. Knox and Frank looked like teenagers when they came in.

We got the KP draft right but it might have been by default. He was there at the 4.
The rumor when Phil wanted to trade him was for Booker and what become Markkenen. Booker has really done well while Markkenen seems also to be injury prone.
The agile 7 footer playing like a small forward might not be sustainable logical physiological reality.
KP for Booker straight up would have been just fine.
As for the scouting, I think its important to have the picks to seize the opportunities. Its part of our asset base.
Dotson, Trier, and Robinson are all types of players we rarely had any success with historically. SOme think the turn over is not good. On the other side you need opportunities to get lucky.

KP might've been by default, so was Melo, CP3, Jayson Tatum and a host of other players. I'll take it. I agree about the picks. Honestly, our record in the low lottery isn't great ( I'm looking at you John Wallace). But I don't buy that the scouting has been bad. We've see a number of players, from Gallinari, Nate, Wilson Chandler, David Lee etc. show growth while they were here. But it looks like we missed on the last two lottery picks. Those picks, historically anyway, always have a huge miss rate. But you can't just dismiss the fact that we were able to draft a lottery talent in the second round. The book is still being written on Iggy, but he also looks promising. The bottom line is somewhere in the middle...we need to nab a star. We also need some consistency in coaching and the front office. I'll also add that I haven't given up on Frank and Knox.