DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

this is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

this is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.

being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot

But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.

1/20/2020

He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team

EnySpree wrote:

1/20/2020

He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team

May be a pointless lateral move - likely a DSJ trade that works and is technically possible with both teams simply unloading an underperforming asset.

Either *could* [its a long shot in both cases] blossom elsewhere. I would rather DSJ's spot open up for a 3 point shooter from the G-League or overseas.

EnySpree wrote:

1/20/2020

He's a short shooting guard. A homeless mans Donovan Mitchell. Trier is the same player with less over dribbling. I think he's worth a flyer... I'm not gonna give up anything good for him though. At the same time, Maybe I would if it meant getting back someone else if value to us. It's all about the team

One thing to remember is that his first 2 offseason in the league he was injured so couldn't work on his game, maybe there's some untapped potential in there, but you'd need an elite player development system in place- we don't have anything like one!

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

this is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.

being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot

But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.

Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard

Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D

Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who **** on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo **** on KK because he's not KD etc.

take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)

of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors

Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.

Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.

Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.

He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

this is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.

being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot

But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.

Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard

Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D

Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who **** on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo **** on KK because he's not KD etc.

take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)

of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors

Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.

Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.

Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.

He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play

He does not play losing basketball. Fairly consistently, the team plays better with him on the floor even if his stats suck

He's a keeper and a contributor along with a good attitude. We need more talent.

I wouldn’t give up Smith just yet. He looked athletic again against the Lakers. They need to move Payton and get the kid minutes. I don’t like his game, but we need to create some value.