Nalod wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Nalod wrote:If the knicks are to make a front office change who does this? Dolan or MSG sports president Andrew Lustgarten? He is in charge of sports. How do you replace a FO? When do you do this. This group is not together three full years. What is Presti doing now? Over seeing his scouts and grease board. Do we fire our crew in April and what of the scouts? Can we put together a FO without guys that are involved in the playoffs for other teams? Then your drafting your own guys without the new guy. What about draft day trade scenarios?
Im not endorsing Mills, Im just asking the questions about how things get done and how long would it take to assemble a new group and what can we expect.
Facts you blow it you also blow up any momentum that might be under the surface that we can't see because of our anger. Nalod don't care about Mills, I just don't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Bringing in a guy with cred does not change a thing. We don't change history. The chess pieces that are on the board are unique to us. Question is how would the new person (might be a women) actually play the game going forward. Hindsight is easy.
If MIlls is the issue, then he has to go. I just can't buy into the view that Mills is the only problem. There have been so many influences here over 20 years. He might have been the voice of reason Dolan did not listen to? Can any of you tell me for sure he is not?
Even if he did hire Isiah based Magic Johnson recommendation (we tried to hire him), we do know Mills took the hit when the lawsuit was settled and Dolan was the one who did not want to settle? Dolan was the one that wanted ISiah to actually come back, he hired him to run the liberty. THink about how phuched that was, Hire a guy who sextually harassed women to run a WNBA team!
Mills might not be the solution but the problems are deeper and have been for a very long time. There is just not one thing that stands out that says "Keep Mills" but nothing egregious either that say "Fire him!!" Hardaways contract? Trading KP? After Mills, what is Perry's legacy? Drafting Mitchell? Last thing we need is another panic move. My take is if its well thought out and implemented properly I'd endorse any moves. I don't trust the people at the top when they panic. We tend to make it worse. I trust Mills more than Dolan. That's not an endorsement, its just sad.

Your post is 100% a backing of Mills since you fail to see how Mills has been a cancer to the organization for years and a terrible basketball executive overall. Even asking why the need to fire Mills is an insult to the intelligence of this fanbase.

The reasons have already been explained thoroughly. Steve Mills and Scott Perry continually sign and/or trade and/or draft the type of players who are not winning basketball players. Aka they chase players who may have a physical attribute but absolutely zero mental attributes. All of the players they've acquired share similar qualities and none of them are good.

The Knicks have never hired a quality basketball executive outside of Donnie Walsh because of Dolan's need for power and yes men. If they were to hire a good basketball man like a Presti or Ujiri or someone of that ilk and IF (biggest if of all time) they gave these men full autonomy to hire and fire whoever they wanted in the basketball operations department and make any move they wanted without questions then this would be the only saving grace left for the franchise. Dolan is not selling the team. That dream, as much as I want it to happen and as much as it would be the cure that's ailing the franchise, is never going to happen. Dolan will own the team until he dies. The only thing left as a fan is to hope and pray that we get a top executive and allow them to make the moves they want without interference for the idiot known as Dolan. Otherwise, if we can't do that, there's nothing left for this franchise. There's nothing positive going on here. It's becoming more and more irrelevant as the years pass.

I’m not endorsing Mills, What I am discussing is we know Dolan is the root of issue but its kind of silly to say just because Mills was on the peripheral does not mean he was the cause. Everybody here can only guess. The Rainman does not know his thoughts. He barely knows his own. Just became Dolan cannot be extracted does not mean we have to grab the next guy and beat him up. WE did that how many times? “Panic” over and over again. Bad way to run a franchise. That so many are hanging hope on Mills gone is symptomatic of what we do over and over the the years as fans. Savior StarPhuching. Isiah and Phil were that. We want Ujiri or Presti now.
I don’t see Mills making god awful moves. fact is if over reaching becomes the norm thats where it gets ugly. Over paying to move up in the draft, McDyess type deals, Amare, getting a star but not support the plan, etc......Mills over paid for Hardaway because he needed someone to shoot with KP, Paid Baker 4mm per? Hired Fiz who a lot of teams also wanted. These are not franchise killers, and what is not being discuss is what else was on the table? Coach Bud, I agree would have been the better choice but we don’t know the gig do we? Who was next for KP if not Hardaway? Thats my point, we blast Mills but the reality is the table was set for him by Phil. Sure he was in the room, but Phil drove the teams decisions. I’m ok with what we did by clearing cap because nothing happens unless you have the opportunity. I’m ok we did not get Kelly Oubre, Otto Porter or sign Harris/Middleton for that kind if money. We’d be no further. If we lose Morris for nothing we paid nothing for him either and I’m not sure I want to lock him up. I don’t know the market for him, and thus I’m not going off on locking him or thinking we can get a boatload in return because I don’t know what’s being offered.
All I know is Mills and this FO are fundamentally making the proper choices after disappointments I’m not sure they caused. I’m looking for panic moves. The 7 FA we signed was actually a good idea given the circumstance that Irving is ****ng nuts and Durant was broken. Kawahi was never in the mix. Mills might have some KP blood on his hands but seems like enough blame for all involved.
I love that we are drafting youth and understand not all pan out and trades will need to be made.
IM pleased we canned Fiz as painful as it was. I rarely endorse that kind of thing but it was a good move. Don’t matter if I wanted it or not. I’m not running the team.
Dolan is a fact of life for the knicks and I ask who do you trust more, Dolan or Mills? I dont like panic moves, they are reactionary. IF knicks are to make a FO I hope the wheels are in motion now, not a knee jerk reaction at the end of the season. I’m endorsing sanity, not reactive Savior Starphuching fantasy.

Listen, dude, you're just repeating the same points and over and over. I've literally written page long posts in the most recent threads explaining why the current regime is absolutely awful.

If you believe that simply not trading first round picks is the determining factor in making them to be an average or even above average front office than that's on you. For me, that's the lowest common denominator thinking. And I say that without any offense meant. It's just what it is. I understand the Knicks have had awful front offices before (many of which Mills was a part of) but simply settling for 'at least we're not doing that awful thing anymore but we're still bad in every category' is not my approach to competitive sports.