Hanging onto Morris makes absolutely no sense. He's playing at the highest level of his career, better than he ever has and he is going to be 31. He doesn't fit the timeline here. Play the LA teams against each other. There are three teams in the east that could use him as well. We need assets now. Need to get second round picks for Bullock and Ellington too. Clean house, get another top three pick and finish with the worst record. You still have one more season to show progress.

Again if we were going to spend money on players this offseason, DLO and Jeremy Lamb were two guys they should have targeted that fit into a rebuilding scenario because both are young and have trade value. It's mind blowing the warriors were able to pull that off.

The reason we are where we are is because we don't usually sell and fall out of the top five. Missing out on guys like Fox, Luka, Young etc. We have the team to secure the worst record in the league, let's just execute for once.

MS wrote:Hopefully this is some PR fluff to extract the best offer.

Hanging onto Morris makes absolutely no sense. He's playing at the highest level of his career, better than he ever has and he is going to be 31. He doesn't fit the timeline here. Play the LA teams against each other. There are three teams in the east that could use him as well. We need assets now. Need to get second round picks for Bullock and Ellington too. Clean house, get another top three pick and finish with the worst record. You still have one more season to show progress.

Again if we were going to spend money on players this offseason, DLO and Jeremy Lamb were two guys they should have targeted that fit into a rebuilding scenario because both are young and have trade value. It's mind blowing the warriors were able to pull that off.

The reason we are where we are is because we don't usually sell and fall out of the top five. Missing out on guys like Fox, Luka, Young etc. We have the team to secure the worst record in the league, let's just execute for once.

Top 5 pick will be good but still its lottery.
So converting vets like Morris into assets is paramount.
We need to work on getting best offer and pull the trigger.
He is of no use this season any more and will sign with Philly long term anyways in the summer after serving the playoffs with a contender.

OldFan wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:I don't trade Morris. I would ask him, but he seems to want to be here - that is great!

He is one of our leaders, one of the top scorers and our best outside shooter.

Would we even win a game if we traded him for picks the rest of the way?

This. This is the type of FA we have been waiting for. One of few that actually want to be here. Would be a easier decision if he was a couple years younger. Still think we try to keep him on a short deal instead of adding an expiring, second rounder or late first. We know how dependable those are.

I like Morris he is the type of FA you want, but we signed him to a one year deal. After the season ends he shops himself for the best deal. If we manage to retain him, and that's a big if, it's going to be at a high cost and he's a piece of the puzzle type of guy not a top dog. If we trade him we get a pick and still have the money to sign FAs.

I hate that we are in rebuild mode every year, but we are and we will be until we get it right. I'm not going to complain if they keep him, but I don't think hanging unto a rental when we are so many pieces short is the right decision.

maybe you forgot that san gave him a 2 yr 21 mill deal, and he pass that over for a 1 yr 15 mill deal, money is not his motivation.

Maybe you forgot why Morris is here, its because NO top FA wanted to be here...SO TO HELL WITH CAP SPACE..NEWS FLASH, WE HAVE AT LEAST 7 PLAYERS ON THIS ROSTER THATS OVER PAID, and will continue that process until we are good...you think someone is taking a discount to play here..yeah..right

Now you want to sit here and say we should do the same process that we did with Melo, shump, Jr,and KP, as if the result would be different.

My friend, that IS the true definition of SPINNING ONE'S WHEELS

knicks1248 wrote:

OldFan wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:I don't trade Morris. I would ask him, but he seems to want to be here - that is great!

He is one of our leaders, one of the top scorers and our best outside shooter.

Would we even win a game if we traded him for picks the rest of the way?

This. This is the type of FA we have been waiting for. One of few that actually want to be here. Would be a easier decision if he was a couple years younger. Still think we try to keep him on a short deal instead of adding an expiring, second rounder or late first. We know how dependable those are.

I like Morris he is the type of FA you want, but we signed him to a one year deal. After the season ends he shops himself for the best deal. If we manage to retain him, and that's a big if, it's going to be at a high cost and he's a piece of the puzzle type of guy not a top dog. If we trade him we get a pick and still have the money to sign FAs.

I hate that we are in rebuild mode every year, but we are and we will be until we get it right. I'm not going to complain if they keep him, but I don't think hanging unto a rental when we are so many pieces short is the right decision.

maybe you forgot that san gave him a 2 yr 21 mill deal, and he pass that over for a 1 yr 15 mill deal, money is not his motivation.

Maybe you forgot why Morris is here, its because NO top FA wanted to be here...SO TO HELL WITH CAP SPACE..NEWS FLASH, WE HAVE AT LEAST 7 PLAYERS ON THIS ROSTER THATS OVER PAID, and will continue that process until we are good...you think someone is taking a discount to play here..yeah..right

Now you want to sit here and say we should do the same process that we did with Melo, shump, Jr,and KP, as if the result would be different.

My friend, that IS the true definition of SPINNING ONE'S WHEELS

Money is almost always a prime motivation. Morris signed for 15mil for one year and will make well more than 6 mil next year - he bet on himself financially and he won. He's having a good year and is in line of a big contract. I believe we have less than a 50% chance of signing him. If he was signed I would definitely want to keep him. My guess is we disagree because we have different views of how much he wants to be in NY.

I think we can get a draft choice and still have a shot to sign a decent veteran player. As opposed to having no draft choice and likely losing Morris anyway.

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:If The Knicks don't trade Morris, they are idiots. He is not staying here unless we overpay (which is the reason he came in the first place). He is 30 now. We are at least two years away from anything and we cannot tie up cap space. Unless the Knicks plan to do a 1-2 year overpay deal with him, we are better off getting the 1st round pick he will likely draw.

We need to be in asset gathering mode so when Gannis or some else of that caliber becomes available, we have the ammunition to pull off the deal.

what we we do with the 74 million in cap space we had..overpaid players

on short term deals when you aren't a contender... that's what most all teams have to do. So what's new?

And even when you ARE a contender, you overpay. Philly gave Tobias Harris a max deal that will pay him $38M and $41M in the last 2 years of his deal (that would put him in the TOP 3 salary wise in the league currently of ALL players... is he that good? NO). Starting next year he will make the same money as both Kawhi and Paul George are making this year. They overpaid.

Teams do that all the time.

Knicks overpay, lots of other teams overpay. What is new?

Knicks aren't really hurt by overpaying them. Would it be better if Portis was on a $10M contract? Sure. Are the Knicks hurt by the Morris contract? Nope. Bullock? Nope. Randle? Not really an overpay IMHO.