ramtour420 wrote:Is KAT really that much better than Mitch ? I understand that he is better offensively and can stretch the floor, but is he really worth trading the farm for?

He's one of those players who seemingly puts up monster stats that don't seem to translate to wins. His stats are crazy- scoring rebounding, three point shooting, blocks, assists, but his teams just seem to lose- must be a horrific defender

No way Wolves let KAT go.

this smacks of Knicks FO trying to stir things up a bit and make people believe they have a plan

knicks1248 wrote:Just some a few things you should be aware of

It's hard to imagine the Wolves trading two-time All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, who is now in the All-NBA conversation as a top-three center in the NBA.

However, only Jahlil Okafor, Damian Jones, and Thomas Bryant have a worse defensive rating among centers averaging more than 15 minutes per game as KAT's sits at 114.5.

Considering that Towns often shares the floor with a pretty solid group of defenders, including Robert Covington, Andrew Wiggins, Josh Okogie, and Jarrett Culver, it's amazing that KAT’s individual defensive rating is that bad.

Most would point to Wiggins as being a weak link on that end of the floor, but he actually leads all small forwards in blocks this season, for whatever that's worth. And while Culver has a lot of development to do on the offensive end of the floor, his defense has been good for a rookie

That was one of the reason Butler wanted out, this dude is worse than Kanter on the defensive end..DOES THIS SOUNd Familiar

Instead of attacking the Wolves' perimeter defenders in isolation, most teams have attacked Towns in the pick-and-roll by setting a screen on the perimeter defender and forcing KAT to switch onto the ball-handler.

Towns has routinely been dropping back all the way to the rim in that scenario causing him to be out of position to contest midrange jumpers.

One could argue that the defensive system implemented by Ryan Saunders and associate head coach David Vanterpool isn't doing KAT any favors and that he is supposed to give up those midrange jumpers, but Towns also struggled in former head coach Tom Thibodeau’s system where he was often abused in the pick-and-roll.

In a recent interview Gorgui Dieng said, “Whatever the coach does, they can change the defensive scheme, whatever. But you’ve got to have heart. You have to want it first. You have to want to play defense. If we don’t have the defensive mindset, whatever the coach does, it

You hated Melo, Amare, and Kanters D, so I can't believe any would want this guy with a 200 mill contract.

He's on a team with decent talent, and are losing a lot of games, and he got a very good defensive coach fired

knicks1248 wrote:Just some a few things you should be aware of

It's hard to imagine the Wolves trading two-time All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, who is now in the All-NBA conversation as a top-three center in the NBA.

However, only Jahlil Okafor, Damian Jones, and Thomas Bryant have a worse defensive rating among centers averaging more than 15 minutes per game as KAT's sits at 114.5.

Considering that Towns often shares the floor with a pretty solid group of defenders, including Robert Covington, Andrew Wiggins, Josh Okogie, and Jarrett Culver, it's amazing that KAT’s individual defensive rating is that bad.

Most would point to Wiggins as being a weak link on that end of the floor, but he actually leads all small forwards in blocks this season, for whatever that's worth. And while Culver has a lot of development to do on the offensive end of the floor, his defense has been good for a rookie

That was one of the reason Butler wanted out, this dude is worse than Kanter on the defensive end..DOES THIS SOUNd Familiar

Instead of attacking the Wolves' perimeter defenders in isolation, most teams have attacked Towns in the pick-and-roll by setting a screen on the perimeter defender and forcing KAT to switch onto the ball-handler.

Towns has routinely been dropping back all the way to the rim in that scenario causing him to be out of position to contest midrange jumpers.

One could argue that the defensive system implemented by Ryan Saunders and associate head coach David Vanterpool isn't doing KAT any favors and that he is supposed to give up those midrange jumpers, but Towns also struggled in former head coach Tom Thibodeau’s system where he was often abused in the pick-and-roll.

In a recent interview Gorgui Dieng said, “Whatever the coach does, they can change the defensive scheme, whatever. But you’ve got to have heart. You have to want it first. You have to want to play defense. If we don’t have the defensive mindset, whatever the coach does, it

You hated Melo, Amare, and Kanters D, so I can't believe any would want this guy with a 200 mill contract.

He's on a team with decent talent, and are losing a lot of games, and he got a very good defensive coach fired

Thats enough to say "pass". Wolves are on an 11 game losing streak, I believe. He's not doing enough in Minny to change their fortunes. Id rather have Mitch's D then KAT's O. Hard to field a contender when your starting Center cant play D.

I was concerned that Mills might try a "Hail Mary" trade to keep his job. Hope this isnt it. Dont believe a Center who puts up legit numbers on offense, but who cant play D will be a big draw for FAs. Look at Melo. Would rather Dolan hire a top exec, and let him make the big changes, if neccesary. More trust in 1st round draft picks.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:
Thats enough to say "pass". Wolves are on an 11 game losing streak, I believe. He's doing enough in Minny to change their fortunes. Id rather have Mitch's D then KAT's O. Hard to field a contender when you starting Center cant play D.

I was concerned that Mills might try a "Hail Mary" trade to keep his job. Hope this isnt it. Dont believe a Center who puts up legit numbers on offense, but who cant play D will be a big draw for FAs. Look at Melo. Would rather Dolan hire a top exec, and let him make the big changes, if neccesary. More trust in 1st round draft picks.

Money and a winning situation will draw free agents, whether KAT is here or not. As for Mitch, love his potential, but he might never get there. He's still learning how to stay on the floor. Also, KAT is also still learning.

What winning situation? Plenty of money on the table last big FA class, we whiffed on all the big names. Its going to take years to build a contender, while KAT gets older. Would rather build around Barrett's timeline than Towns. Especially with all the 1st round draft picks.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:
Thats enough to say "pass". Wolves are on an 11 game losing streak, I believe. He's doing enough in Minny to change their fortunes. Id rather have Mitch's D then KAT's O. Hard to field a contender when you starting Center cant play D.

I was concerned that Mills might try a "Hail Mary" trade to keep his job. Hope this isnt it. Dont believe a Center who puts up legit numbers on offense, but who cant play D will be a big draw for FAs. Look at Melo. Would rather Dolan hire a top exec, and let him make the big changes, if neccesary. More trust in 1st round draft picks.

Money and a winning situation will draw free agents, whether KAT is here or not. As for Mitch, love his potential, but he might never get there. He's still learning how to stay on the floor. Also, KAT is also still learning.

What winning situation? Plenty of money on the table last big FA class, we whiffed on all the big names. Its going to take years to build a contender, while KAT gets older. Would rather build around Barrett's timeline than Towns. Especially with all the 1st round draft picks.

Cmon dude, this guy isn't making anyone better, or any team better, he has been in a losing environment from day 1 and has develop a host of bad habits. He doesn't have the desire to play defense because he does so much on offense, just like melo...You think thats going to change?

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:
Thats enough to say "pass". Wolves are on an 11 game losing streak, I believe. He's doing enough in Minny to change their fortunes. Id rather have Mitch's D then KAT's O. Hard to field a contender when you starting Center cant play D.

I was concerned that Mills might try a "Hail Mary" trade to keep his job. Hope this isnt it. Dont believe a Center who puts up legit numbers on offense, but who cant play D will be a big draw for FAs. Look at Melo. Would rather Dolan hire a top exec, and let him make the big changes, if neccesary. More trust in 1st round draft picks.

Money and a winning situation will draw free agents, whether KAT is here or not. As for Mitch, love his potential, but he might never get there. He's still learning how to stay on the floor. Also, KAT is also still learning.

Even if Mitch doesn’t get there, I want him to own Jarrett Allen tonight. Allen gets a ton of hype. I want Mitch to shut that down. Mills making any big splash moves is scary.

Has Mitch really owned anyone for a full game? Just truly dominated on the defensive end of things? I know he has made repeated spectacular plays and all but I can't remember him ever really locking down a good offensive player before.

For me Allen's offense is a by-product of getting baskets off of penetration and ball movement or PnR, ie someone else. Do you really lock that player down?

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Just some a few things you should be aware of

It's hard to imagine the Wolves trading two-time All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, who is now in the All-NBA conversation as a top-three center in the NBA.

However, only Jahlil Okafor, Damian Jones, and Thomas Bryant have a worse defensive rating among centers averaging more than 15 minutes per game as KAT's sits at 114.5.

Considering that Towns often shares the floor with a pretty solid group of defenders, including Robert Covington, Andrew Wiggins, Josh Okogie, and Jarrett Culver, it's amazing that KAT’s individual defensive rating is that bad.

Most would point to Wiggins as being a weak link on that end of the floor, but he actually leads all small forwards in blocks this season, for whatever that's worth. And while Culver has a lot of development to do on the offensive end of the floor, his defense has been good for a rookie

That was one of the reason Butler wanted out, this dude is worse than Kanter on the defensive end..DOES THIS SOUNd Familiar

Instead of attacking the Wolves' perimeter defenders in isolation, most teams have attacked Towns in the pick-and-roll by setting a screen on the perimeter defender and forcing KAT to switch onto the ball-handler.

Towns has routinely been dropping back all the way to the rim in that scenario causing him to be out of position to contest midrange jumpers.

One could argue that the defensive system implemented by Ryan Saunders and associate head coach David Vanterpool isn't doing KAT any favors and that he is supposed to give up those midrange jumpers, but Towns also struggled in former head coach Tom Thibodeau’s system where he was often abused in the pick-and-roll.

In a recent interview Gorgui Dieng said, “Whatever the coach does, they can change the defensive scheme, whatever. But you’ve got to have heart. You have to want it first. You have to want to play defense. If we don’t have the defensive mindset, whatever the coach does, it

You hated Melo, Amare, and Kanters D, so I can't believe any would want this guy with a 200 mill contract.

He's on a team with decent talent, and are losing a lot of games, and he got a very good defensive coach fired

Fair point. Counterpoint: KAT also performs at a higher level offensively than any of those guys. Passing, three point shooting...you name it. Can you live with his defensive liabilities if he is capable of creating that much gravity on offense? And is it something that can be covered with defensive schemes?

There’s very few perfect superstars out there. KAT is 24 and a flawed but undeniable superstar. We would need a strong defensive team around him. Morris, Barrett, Payton, Ntilikina, Gibson and Dotson would be a start.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:
Thats enough to say "pass". Wolves are on an 11 game losing streak, I believe. He's doing enough in Minny to change their fortunes. Id rather have Mitch's D then KAT's O. Hard to field a contender when you starting Center cant play D.

I was concerned that Mills might try a "Hail Mary" trade to keep his job. Hope this isnt it. Dont believe a Center who puts up legit numbers on offense, but who cant play D will be a big draw for FAs. Look at Melo. Would rather Dolan hire a top exec, and let him make the big changes, if neccesary. More trust in 1st round draft picks.

Money and a winning situation will draw free agents, whether KAT is here or not. As for Mitch, love his potential, but he might never get there. He's still learning how to stay on the floor. Also, KAT is also still learning.

Even if Mitch doesn’t get there, I want him to own Jarrett Allen tonight. Allen gets a ton of hype. I want Mitch to shut that down. Mills making any big splash moves is scary.

Has Mitch really owned anyone for a full game? Just truly dominated on the defensive end of things? I know he has made repeated spectacular plays and all but I can't remember him ever really locking down a good offensive player before.

For me Allen's offense is a by-product of getting baskets off of penetration and ball movement or PnR, ie someone else. Do you really lock that player down?

If KP is an offensive unicorn, Mitch is a defensive one. In spite of no college, very raw, the team is better defensively when he's on the court. Already one of the best shot blockers in the league.A couple of weeks ago some folks were talking about Mitch and foul trouble like its a permanent condition. Biting less on fakes as well. Surprised anyone is willing to part with Mitch after going undrafted, and showing so much, so soon. Also can reboundand finish on offense.