knicks1248 wrote:I'm asking because this F/O couldn't trade (kanter's) expiring contracts, and pretty much waived anyone who had and expiring contract including Mathews.

No team is giving up 1st rounders for the likes of morris (who left the spurs hanging) or randles 20 mill.

Ellington, payton, bullock, have almost no value.

So when I hear ppl talking about dec 15 can't get here fast enough, i have to laugh, because what team would really give away picks for what we have, and the F/O isn't taking on any future salary in any trades.

They refused to give up anything significant in an AD trade( that shows you how conservative they are).

I think they built this roster with the hopes of a super star( AD or KAT) requesting a trade, where they can package all of their expiring contracts and a couple of draft picks.

IMO the only players that have real value is (Knox, frank, dsj, mitch, RJ)

Sure for Chris Paul

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Amazing how inept our front office is. Sean Marks finds Spencer Dinwiddie who averages 20 and 5 as a backup and we can't manage to find 1 decent PG

I remember Briggs being high on Dinwiddie coming out of college.

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Amazing how inept our front office is. Sean Marks finds Spencer Dinwiddie who averages 20 and 5 as a backup and we can't manage to find 1 decent PG

Several teams whiffed on Dimwiddie, if not the rest of the league. Dont believe they counted on Smith jr getting off to a slow start, and the off court issues he had to deal with. Both Frank and DSjr, are starting to show some real improvement. Smith jr as a playmaker, Frank as a scorer. If DSjr can start getting buckets like he has shown he can, that problem will be sorted out. Not opposed to seeing who we can get at the first trade deadline, if things start going south again.

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Amazing how inept our front office is. Sean Marks finds Spencer Dinwiddie who averages 20 and 5 as a backup and we can't manage to find 1 decent PG

Several teams whiffed on Dimwiddie, if not the rest of the league. Dont believe they counted on Smith jr getting off to a slow start, and the off court issues he had to deal with. Both Frank and DSjr, are starting to show some real improvement. Smith jr as a playmaker, Frank as a scorer. If DSjr can start getting buckets like he has shown he can, that problem will be sorted out. Not opposed to seeing who we can get at the first trade deadline, if things start going south again.

I used to be a DSj fan....and originally wished we drafted him instead of Frank. Now we have both, I was hyped. BUT....as I watch DSj close up, I don't like him on this team. He needs certain skilled type players around him to see his value. I say start DSj….run some plays for him. Wait for the highlight dunk, then sell him on his ceiling. Everybody is not built for NYC. I thought he was, but I might be wrong. He's a country boy. Eventhough Starks was too, it takes a certain personality to survive in NYC. If DSj was playing for any other team, he would look like a budding star. But for some reason, NYC or the knicks is a great place to bring down your value. That seems to be the case for some of these free agents for put on the orange and blue.

Agree that it remains to be seen if Smith jr is built for NY. Also agree that Smith jr is country. Starks played like a man possesed, while Smith jr sometimes seems apathetic out there. Believe its too early to make the call. Was making high level assists vs the Nets, looked more comfortable last game. Has the skills to be a max player down the road, but we need to see more passion. Thats what Starks brought everynight, he was hungry. Smith jr needs more of that.

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think if the Knicks got on the horn they could drum up a little business

Reggie Bullock - nothing
Damyean Dotson - a second?
Wayne Ellington - nothing
Taj Gibson - a second?
Marcus Morris Sr. - a first?
Elfrid Payton - nothing

I think Morris could get us multiple seconds or a highly protected first. I agree Dame could get a second, but I'd rather keep him. I think Taj gets us a protected second.

morris is making 15 million dollars, Is that the price for a 2nd rounder, what about TAJ's 10 Million.

I'm not talking about trading these guys for draft picks, some 2nd round project, are you serious?

Im talking about trading for players that actually fit, trading for a real PG..

Randle and Frank for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and DENNIS SCHRODER

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think if the Knicks got on the horn they could drum up a little business

Reggie Bullock - nothing
Damyean Dotson - a second?
Wayne Ellington - nothing
Taj Gibson - a second?
Marcus Morris Sr. - a first?
Elfrid Payton - nothing

I think Morris could get us multiple seconds or a highly protected first. I agree Dame could get a second, but I'd rather keep him. I think Taj gets us a protected second.

morris is making 15 million dollars, Is that the price for a 2nd rounder, what about TAJ's 10 Million.

I'm not talking about trading these guys for draft picks, some 2nd round project, are you serious?

Im talking about trading for players that actually fit, trading for a real PG..

Randle and Frank for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and DENNIS SCHRODER

You cant be serious! OKC would hang up the phone!!

lmao

I thought frank was the man around here

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Amazing how inept our front office is. Sean Marks finds Spencer Dinwiddie who averages 20 and 5 as a backup and we can't manage to find 1 decent PG

Atkinson scheme promotes guard play. It's why Dlo over time becomes an all-star Calibre player. Why Levert goes from #20 pick to 17-5-4. And why Dinwiddie goes from udfa to 20-5 G. They have a plan for what they are looking for with players to promote their scheme. The scheme builds up the players in return.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think if the Knicks got on the horn they could drum up a little business

Reggie Bullock - nothing
Damyean Dotson - a second?
Wayne Ellington - nothing
Taj Gibson - a second?
Marcus Morris Sr. - a first?
Elfrid Payton - nothing

I think Morris could get us multiple seconds or a highly protected first. I agree Dame could get a second, but I'd rather keep him. I think Taj gets us a protected second.

morris is making 15 million dollars, Is that the price for a 2nd rounder, what about TAJ's 10 Million.

I'm not talking about trading these guys for draft picks, some 2nd round project, are you serious?

Im talking about trading for players that actually fit, trading for a real PG..

Randle and Frank for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and DENNIS SCHRODER

You cant be serious! OKC would hang up the phone!!

lmao

I thought frank was the man around here

And I think I'm the last king of Scotland. How about this, Trier, Portia and second for Zach Lavine? How about Portis and a lottery protected first for KAT? Maybe Frank, DSJ and Payton for Simmons?

Either you are joking or sipping the same **** knicks1248 is sipping

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think if the Knicks got on the horn they could drum up a little business

Reggie Bullock - nothing
Damyean Dotson - a second?
Wayne Ellington - nothing
Taj Gibson - a second?
Marcus Morris Sr. - a first?
Elfrid Payton - nothing

I think Morris could get us multiple seconds or a highly protected first. I agree Dame could get a second, but I'd rather keep him. I think Taj gets us a protected second.

morris is making 15 million dollars, Is that the price for a 2nd rounder, what about TAJ's 10 Million.

I'm not talking about trading these guys for draft picks, some 2nd round project, are you serious?

Im talking about trading for players that actually fit, trading for a real PG..

Randle and Frank for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and DENNIS SCHRODER

You cant be serious! OKC would hang up the phone!!

lmao

I thought frank was the man around here

And I think I'm the last king of Scotland. How about this, Trier, Portia and second for Zach Lavine? How about Portis and a lottery protected first for KAT? Maybe Frank, DSJ and Payton for Simmons?

Either you are joking or sipping the same **** knicks1248 is sipping

Hahahah...joking...unless you're serious and have a connection to any of those front offices.

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

Depends what we want in return. Randle could help a contender. Problem is these guys are good role players, but we're leaning on them like stars, in part because of the lack of scoring from the PG position. Hopefully we'll hit our stride before the first trade deadline.

Amazing how inept our front office is. Sean Marks finds Spencer Dinwiddie who averages 20 and 5 as a backup and we can't manage to find 1 decent PG

Correction- we found a decent PG, Mudiay, and we let him go.

Is there any reason to think Mudiay wouldn't be putting up similar numbers this year to what he did last, and that that production wouldn't have help deliver more wins?