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gunsnewing
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10/1/2004  10:30 AM
exactly what I was gonna say dj.

all i remember last year were blown layups, shots of the side of the backboard, terrible passes to the wrong team, blown dunks, 6 three pointers attempted and bricked out of bounce
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10/1/2004  10:30 AM
oh and stupid costly fouls late in games that costed us wins...


yeah thats about all i remember
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10/1/2004  10:31 AM
Dude!! no disrespect, but what is your basketball IQ? Ariza is far better than Anderson will ever be in his entire career. The kid has yet to play professionally and the buzz around him is wonderfull, what about when he starts getting minutes? I am telling you, Anderson was always a disgrace. I am glad that Isiah is taking the approach that he is taking. Please, don't ever say that Anderson has skills, because he doesn't.

For the fello that asked if it is better to have Demarr, the answer is yes. Demarr can score, and believe it or not, that is an asset. The kid is very athletic, and most of all, is very affordable.




Posted by fishmike:

based on his pay scale only though... If Ariza gave us this year what Shandon gave us last year people would be talking about like he's better than sliced bread.
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10/1/2004  10:32 AM
I don't understand why they can't trade him.

Howard Eisley was listed as one of the 20 most overpaid athletes IN THE WORLD, yet the manage to find a taker. Shannon didn't even make the most overpaid NBA player list.
The only way to rid yourself of the likes of Shannon is to include him in a 1st round pick with an expiring contract ( probably TT or penny). Isiah is ridiculous to tell him not to report to work, especially with money he's paying him.
Anderson is no dummy, and could make IT life a living nightmare because he's under contract.

If he's hell bent on not buying him out and offering him a 1/4 of his salary ( something anderson will not agree upon) why is he dragging his name through the mud thus making him even less attractive to anyone in the US, let alone the NBA.

Boy.. Isiah is a joke sometimes the way he deals with players he doesn't approve of.
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10/1/2004  10:36 AM
[quoteDude!! no disrespect, but what is your basketball IQ? Ariza is far better than Anderson will ever be in his entire career. The kid has yet to play professionally and the buzz around him is wonderfull, what about when he starts getting minutes? I am telling you, Anderson was always a disgrace. I am glad that Isiah is taking the approach that he is taking. Please, don't ever say that Anderson has skills, because he doesn't.
For the fello that asked if it is better to have Demarr, the answer is yes. Demarr can score, and believe it or not, that is an asset. The kid is very athletic, and most of all, is very affordable.




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Originally posted by fishmike:

based on his pay scale only though... If Ariza gave us this year what Shandon gave us last year people would be talking about like he's better than sliced bread.

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If he's that bad, and always has been, why was he rewarded with such a massive contract. I'm not sure if layden gave him the in UTAH, or the rockets gave him that. I know he played pretty well for the jazz and rockets. But something happen when he got here
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10/1/2004  11:26 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Ariza is far better than Anderson will ever be in his entire career. The kid has yet to play professionally and the buzz around him is wonderfull, what about when he starts getting minutes?

Wow...how can you argue with that! Buzz = Skill
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10/1/2004  11:57 AM
Eisley was at least playing before he got traded...the way it looks now, Shandon will hardly see any playing time if Isiah plans on giving Ariza a look this season in a limited role...making the money he's making, it's very unlikely any team would want to pick up the remaining years on Shandon's contract for at least 2 more years...we're stuck w/him, like it or not.

at least give him a mop & let him wipe up the sweat off the court...i'd happily do that for $7 mil per.
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10/1/2004  11:59 AM
shandon was traded from the rockets for Rice.

Layden had a problem with Rice, whom was part of the Ewing trade which Laydog did not do.

Layden basically deffered an overpaid shandon whom still had some promise for an overpaid pain in the butt Rice. Thats how the knicks did it back then, kept deffering the pain.

Now Isiah gets to just pay cash to remove his problems. All the undesirable players we "magically" removed, we took on more in salary commitment.

I don't care how Isiah does it, just so long as we are not mortgaging the future too badly. I cannot see how furthering a 24mil commitment into a bad to worse situation helps anybody.
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10/1/2004  12:18 PM
I cannot see how furthering a 24mil commitment into a bad to worse situation helps anybody.


Exactly.
How many years does he have left?

And how much would it cost to buy him out?
I know it's pretty outragous, but dolon said assured IT theirs plenty of blank checks
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10/1/2004  12:26 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3081/gamelog

take a look... Shandon was obviously very inconsistant, but he had number solid games when Houston was out.

If TT got hurt and Ariza had a bunch of 15/5 games like Anderson did last year all you people would crowing about Isiah's genius and how Ariza is the next thing.

Look, I hate Shandon on this team. I see him I see Layden. That makes me want to puke. But Shandon (like Houston) is a perfect example of how money changes people's perception. Shandon was an excellent role player for those good Utah teams. In Houston he average 11/4.5 and Rudy T loved his hustle and game. Rudy T also said while he loved his game he would rather cut him than pay what he's asking. In steps Layden and the rest is history.
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10/1/2004  12:29 PM
i bet you Rudy T & the Lakers wouldn't trade for him now even if the Knicks agreed to pay half his remaining salary.
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10/1/2004  12:30 PM
Shandon makes $24mm over the next 3 years. The only way he takes a buy out is is he and his agent feel they can get that money back on the open market. An example is Deke taking a buyout for $5mm less a year because he knew the Knicks would give him their full MLE. Thus its a wash.

who who who is giving Shandon more than the vets minimum? If we release him we pay his whole deal. If we trade him we take back a guy making at least $7mm this year, and nobody wants 3 years of Shandon at that deal.

The only way I see out of this is Isiah just dumping Shandon and his cost in a "this was Layden's fault" type of move.
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10/1/2004  12:39 PM
that's what i've been saying from the beginning...which is why he's ours whether we like it or not...Isiah has already said there would be no buyout, so let's forget about that idea...Shandon will just have to get used to sitting on the bench & sulking all year, because he's going to have to do it for the next 3.
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10/1/2004  1:17 PM
My guess is Isiah wants to humiliate Shandon by making him show up for the next 2-3 years and not doing anything in the hopes that he will skip team functions and maybe some how violate the terms of his contract which they could then void.Or perhaps to make it so uncomfortable for him by making him a permanent bench warmer that he tries to get a buyout for a good deal less than he is supposed to be paid.

I dont know if it will work but I wouldnt be surprised if that is Isiah's game plan if they cant move him.Anderson dissed him one time too many.
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10/1/2004  1:19 PM
How about they rework his deal. If a player agrees to it would it be allowed or is the rule once a contract is signed that even the player can't agree to rework it??

Anyway how about anderson makes all of his 24mil this season. Or he can make 12mil for this season and next. I mean he still gets all his money just less yrs with a team he doesn't want to be on anyway.

24mil for him to do nothing for one yr might be crazy but its better than 24mil for him to do nothing in 3 seasons. As there is no team going to trade for him until his contract is coming off the books. The bright side would be I don't think that there will be a that Luxuary tax this season. Getting rid of Anderson after the yr would open up roster spot. And at the trade deadline 24mil coming off the books would have some value though I would rather just let it walk than do anything with it. Next 2 season Anderson will be off the books which would leave Houston-Hardaway-TT as the only overpaid players left and Hardaway & TT both would be in there walking yr next season. Though TT will probably get an extention depending on this seasons for less though.
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10/1/2004  1:28 PM
Posted by fishmike:

His contract is so terrible, and thats what it all comes down to. He's always played hard, and I believe he averaged 12/5 starting in Houston's place for a decent stretch where we actually won some games.

He's a decent defender, a good athlete and good in the open court. His skills are limited and his shooting is woefull (putting it nicely). If we was making $1mm we would be glad to have him as he's a valuable backup. Problem is he's paid not only like a starter but a good starter. He's making the kind of money that Cory Maggette, Crawford, Rip Hamilton, Peja and Billups are making (to name a few). All this for a guy that cant dribble and shot 25% from the field in the playoffs when TT and Houston were out with injuries.

Shandon and his contract are a mistake, and the sooner you move away from a guy making starter $$$ wanting starter minutes when he's like 4 on the depth chart the better.

based on his pay scale only though... If Ariza gave us this year what Shandon gave us last year people would be talking about like he's better than sliced bread.

I couldn't agree with you more.

The only reason we despise Anderson is because of his contract. If he were making the minimum nobody would have a problem with him.

If expiring contracts are so great then why is it so bad to keep him until his contract is in it's last year? It's not like his contract is preventing us from being under the cap, limits our flexibility (we have none with or without Shandon) or prevents Dolan from writing huge checks and boosting cable rates. Even though it's a ridiculous contract, it really doesn't affect the Knicks in an adverse way. I think the hatred towards Anderson is just an extension of the way people feel about Layden and the animosity fans have for overpaid athletes.
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10/1/2004  1:29 PM
the CBA prevents it... even if we buy him out that amount sits on the cap prorated over the next 3 years. The only way you get a break is if he retires.

I hope Isiah doesnt go the dirty route, because it will reflect poorly on how other players look at this franchise. Just walk away. Its the only way.
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10/1/2004  2:07 PM
I think the hatred towards Anderson is just an extension of the way people feel about Layden and the animosity fans have for overpaid athletes.

actually no...i actually sort of liked Shandon in '02 when he was a pretty decent role player on this team...last year is when i really started to hate him because of the way he played, pure & simple...he was HORRIBLE...missing wide open shots, making boneheaded passes at the worst times, killing momentum by committing bad turnovers at key moments in the game, & missing many defensive assignments in crunchtime by leaving guys open on the perimeter & on backdoor plays which ended up costing the Knicks the game.

so no, the salary really isn't what i hate about Shandon nor is the fact that Scott Layden was the one who acquired him (though i do think he's the most obscenely overpaid player in the game)...the fact that he plain STUNK last year, especially in the playoffs against the Nets, is why i hate him.
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10/1/2004  2:30 PM
I'm at least with you on the playoffs. The two games at MSG were good hard fought games and both were winnable for us, even missing TT and Houston. If we got ANYTHING from Shandon we could have won those two games and people wouldnt be talking about how we were just in lucky to get in and got swept by a *real* team.
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10/1/2004  3:10 PM
I'm starting to believe despite the fact that shannon can't shoot, he certainl plays hard. IT has personal issues with shannon, and thats what it all come down 2.
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