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11/19/2019  12:55 PM
jrodmc wrote:He hits spot up threes.
He's iso-heavy.
Even the quick slap-away blocks being his only defensive highlights.
His assists are almost always noisy.

Randle's form on that jumper is sheehit ugly by comparison though.

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11/19/2019  12:55 PM
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
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Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

I admit I was never a big Melo fan. although after the whole KP fiasco I do respect hm more because he did love the city and wanted to stay and even though he had problems with Phil he still went to the exit interview to talk to Phil which I respected. Anyway as for melo the player there is no doubt his scoring ability is one of the best in my generation even though I didn't like the constant ISO. But there is no doubt of his scoring ability. I never saw Melo as the top guy on a contender. I felt he fit better as the 2nd guy who can provide the scoring. But like I said before I do have more respect for him than maybe I did years ago and even though you make fair points about the 54 win season he still had a very good year overall so I give him credit for that.
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11/19/2019  1:00 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

I admit I was never a big Melo fan. although after the whole KP fiasco I do respect hm more because he did love the city and wanted to stay and even though he had problems with Phil he still went to the exit interview to talk to Phil which I respected. Anyway as for melo the player there is no doubt his scoring ability is one of the best in my generation even though I didn't like the constant ISO. But there is no doubt of his scoring ability. I never saw Melo as the top guy on a contender. I felt he fit better as the 2nd guy who can provide the scoring. But like I said before I do have more respect for him than maybe I did years ago and even though you make fair points about the 54 win season he still had a very good year overall so I give him credit for that.

As you are finding out he is not capable of being second to anyone. That is why OKC and Houston did away with him and the resistance.
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11/19/2019  1:01 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:He hits spot up threes.
He's iso-heavy.
Even the quick slap-away blocks being his only defensive highlights.
His assists are almost always noisy.

Randle's form on that jumper is sheehit ugly by comparison though.

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11/19/2019  1:19 PM
fishmike wrote:He's poor man's Amare. Enough of a jumper to keep the defense honest and get hot. Good around the basket. Good all around skills, not the explosive athlete Amare was. A willing but not very effective defender, very good on the boards and following his own shots.

I still like him and as our PG play improves so will how people think about Randle. Also its clear Randle is being overused and that is not a defense of him. Opposite really as its clear he's not talented enough to do what he's being asked and when you ask guys to do too much they get exposed. Randle is a good piece and will help us. He's allowed to do some growing also and coming fact to face with limitations isnt always a bad thing


Thats not fair. Randle is a more willing and better passer than Amare ever was.
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11/19/2019  1:26 PM
Last night Randle passed and only had one turn over. He is figuring things out which is not linear. I think Morris is also forcing things less.
Seems Randle is handling it less, Frank more, and Barrett also a bit more laid back. Randle had a hell of a first half.
Short term his stat line vs. KP makes for a more compelling line. Lets put it this way, is the trade for KP, Hardaway, CLee for Dennis, Two first rounders AND Randle change how we look at it? KP is one hairline Foot fracture from the trade a steal (for us) but at the end of the day I expect KP to be a 20-8 player as a base line because that's what he was before he got hurt. He is second fiddle to Luka, he should benefit from that as well.
Im good with Randle as a third option.
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11/19/2019  1:39 PM
It's kind of a lazy comparison. Randle and Melo. Aside from being ISO heavy, that is the only thing I see that is comparable. Randle is a way better rebounder. Melo is an ALL NBA scorer. Randle is a willing passer but execution is bad. Melo's passing is a last resort. Melo's defense is crap aside from the occasional slap block. Randle is actually an adequate defender.

The comparable player to me is Chris Webber without the hops.
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11/19/2019  2:11 PM
NYKBocker wrote:It's kind of a lazy comparison. Randle and Melo. Aside from being ISO heavy, that is the only thing I see that is comparable. Randle is a way better rebounder. Melo is an ALL NBA scorer. Randle is a willing passer but execution is bad. Melo's passing is a last resort. Melo's defense is crap aside from the occasional slap block. Randle is actually an adequate defender.

The comparable player to me is Chris Webber without the hops.


The frustrating thing about Melo was that he could pass. I'd say he was better than Randle when he had the mindset. I don't see the Webber comparison. A healthy Webber had a legit post presence and was another tier athletically. He was also a couple levels higher has a ball handler and passer. I think Oak was a better than Randle, honestly.
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11/19/2019  2:26 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:It's kind of a lazy comparison. Randle and Melo. Aside from being ISO heavy, that is the only thing I see that is comparable. Randle is a way better rebounder. Melo is an ALL NBA scorer. Randle is a willing passer but execution is bad. Melo's passing is a last resort. Melo's defense is crap aside from the occasional slap block. Randle is actually an adequate defender.

The comparable player to me is Chris Webber without the hops.


The frustrating thing about Melo was that he could pass. I'd say he was better than Randle when he had the mindset. I don't see the Webber comparison. A healthy Webber had a legit post presence and was another tier athletically. He was also a couple levels higher has a ball handler and passer. I think Oak was a better than Randle, honestly.

Offensively no comparison. Defensively no comparison. compare again and see what happens!
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11/19/2019  2:56 PM
TPercy wrote:
fishmike wrote:He's poor man's Amare. Enough of a jumper to keep the defense honest and get hot. Good around the basket. Good all around skills, not the explosive athlete Amare was. A willing but not very effective defender, very good on the boards and following his own shots.

I still like him and as our PG play improves so will how people think about Randle. Also its clear Randle is being overused and that is not a defense of him. Opposite really as its clear he's not talented enough to do what he's being asked and when you ask guys to do too much they get exposed. Randle is a good piece and will help us. He's allowed to do some growing also and coming fact to face with limitations isnt always a bad thing


Thats not fair. Randle is a more willing and better passer than Amare ever was.
yea well thats the thing... since he doesnt finish like Amare you better be able to pass the ball
Also Randle is back to basket and Amare more facing but point is they are TO prone guys who feast in the paint and have jump shots somewhere between OK and suspect. Amare was pretty unstoppable around the basket so honestly he didnt need to be as rounded as Randle but similar results/spacing... although I call Randle poor man because Amare and his high eff% scoring simply made him a higher impact player
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11/19/2019  5:22 PM
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

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11/19/2019  5:48 PM
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

He was third in mvp voting the year they had Kidd. He won the scoring title. The Knicks won 54 games and Melo won player of the month that April and the Knicks went 14-1 with most of the team hurt. Just say you hate the guy.
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11/19/2019  5:53 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

He was third in mvp voting the year they had Kidd. He won the scoring title. The Knicks won 54 games and Melo won player of the month that April and the Knicks went 14-1 with most of the team hurt. Just say you hate the guy.

he was so great that year. ironically the 2 guys to outpoll him in mvp voting both played his position.
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11/19/2019  5:59 PM
Even weirder was Nuggets won 57 games and Karl was COY.
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11/19/2019  6:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2019  6:12 PM
Usagewise, both Randle and Morris reminded me of Melo, not so long ago. They both can get tunnelvision, go on runs. Why its important to have a PG who can feed Randle and Morris, without them having to dribble themselves into trouble. And is able to pick up the slack when their shots arent falling.
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11/19/2019  6:15 PM
Marv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

He was third in mvp voting the year they had Kidd. He won the scoring title. The Knicks won 54 games and Melo won player of the month that April and the Knicks went 14-1 with most of the team hurt. Just say you hate the guy.

he was so great that year. ironically the 2 guys to outpoll him in mvp voting both played his position.

I think he would have won it if Howard didn’t almost end his career that year.
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11/19/2019  7:41 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

He was third in mvp voting the year they had Kidd. He won the scoring title. The Knicks won 54 games and Melo won player of the month that April and the Knicks went 14-1 with most of the team hurt. Just say you hate the guy.

Hate the guy I said he had an amazing year playing a role. I don’t know how you interpret hate out of that.
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11/19/2019  8:27 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah seriously 25 year old Melo would drag this roster to the playoffs

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11/19/2019  8:34 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Randle is a better all around player than Melo. Rebounding, passing interior player and not to mention he is more efficient. But his turnovers are ghastly. Just to many of them he cleans that up and play better on defense he would be considered a great player.
25 year old Randle vs. Melo today? Yea ok. Same age? You are out of your mind. Melo at age 25 was putting up 28ppg on a 54 win team out west. This is silly even by Melo-hater standards

Yeah and they won 60 after he left.

they went 38-28. Their win% took an immediate hit.
Knicks had 10 losing seasons before Melo followed 3 winning seasons after adding him.

Slow day at work?

Weren’t we winning with Amare before he got to the Knicks.

2 games over .500 at the time of the trade.

The Knicks played .500 basketball after he joined the Knicks. The nuggets improve 3 games after the trade. Let’s play along and go into the future a year after trade. Nuggets 35-23 Knicks 27-33. Everyone keeps harping one the 54 win team. Melo was an amazing role player that year. I say role player because he wasn’t asked to much with JKidd and other vets covering him up big time. All he had to do is be a scorer which he is most willing at. Everyone wants to give credit to Melo who was playing with a veteran team of old farts. But it was the veterans that brought winning mentality and took him for a ride. Great inefficient scorer that had a lot of people fooled because of fan fare. The pseudo superstar.

He was third in mvp voting the year they had Kidd. He won the scoring title. The Knicks won 54 games and Melo won player of the month that April and the Knicks went 14-1 with most of the team hurt. Just say you hate the guy.

Man I wish we had a few more role players

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I guess that's one of the reasons I been hating on so many of the Knicks consistent losses this season .. they been reminders of ISO-Melo consistency bringing the ball down the court 80% of the time (before/After LinSanity & Kidd) for so many losing seasons.
Yep ..there's little difference in Randle/Melo on Knicks ....
Melo's Ball handle is like a play-maker to get a quick two on a pick n roll, Melo cant pass well so he don't.
Randle's ball handle or offensive IQ is not as elite as Melo however, Randle & Melo defensive performance has always had complaints from their teammates each season.
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