Chandler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

MS wrote:Hysterical we dumped two of the worst contracts in sports. You mean the ones that are expiring this offseason?

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

I think there are well established reasons these things happened. The contracts were moved to clear cap space to have a run at the Kawhai, Durant, Kyrie level free agents. The pitch was come here build a superteam with some intriguing young players(high draft pick, Mitch, at the time DSJ, Frank)as support. It was a gamble that didn't pan out, but it was a reasonable move. Shitting on it like it was done for no reason hurts your argument. KP basically threatened to go back to Europe and not play the year for us. If that news had got out we would have received even less considering his injury concerns. We did not rush to use our cap space. I'm sure you've noticed that they are(except Randle) all 1 year deals so that most of the cap space will be available when its relevant again.

Things are definitely a bit of a mess now. Unfortunately it seems we don't have an NBA calibur point guard on the roster. I'm sure the plan was for DSJ or Frank to take the next step which they are both probably incapable of doing.

Why do fan know better than NYK management I have been saying for years that NYK is not a destination top tier free agents covet. Why is it that management of the Knicks don’t know this. They will do stupid thing like hire Fizdale not because he is a good coach but because he knows or has an in with top tier free agents. They will make comments like free agents will come because their front office is African-American. This is how an organization functions I find it ridiculous how these guys come to decisions that has Millions of dollars at stake.

I mean creating space for what they picked up when you could have just not made any moves. This team looks a whole lot better with KP, Barrett, Hardaway, Ntlikina, Robinson, Knox we have a lot of stupid moves made. That is why I feel Perry, Mills and Fizdale need to be fired ASAP.

KP said he wouldn't play here, he'd goto Europe. But lets say for argument sake you are actually his brother posting right here on UK; and MS is his mother! So obviously you guys would be in the know. KP takes the QO. At that point he can dictate what team he wants to goto in a trade and his trade value plummets to probably a second rounder and a bad contract because we have no leverage and he's cominig off a season of no play and injury. KP either gets traded then for that or goes on to be a FA. So somehow taking a small risk and clearing cap space to potentially getting a pair of superstars is unacceptable risk, but letting our own star likely walk for nothing is a no brainer. If you don't think you can sign or retain FAs ever you might as well move the team or dissolve it. But that's basically an unfounded assumption. If you are going to kill Perry and praise his players, you also have to give him credit for Barrett, Knox and Robinson too.

Failure in any relationship is not waiting to analyze what went wrong as they are walking out the door. But rather to analyze what your doing wrong and working on it before they even think about walking out.

If the Knicks knew there were issues (Obvious) and they thought KP was our franchise player they would have swallowed their pride and worked things out. Good organizations have the IQ and ability to do so. It is what it is. As I have said many times before, until we get REAL basketball guys in the FO, it will never change.

Had nothing to do with pride. Knicks bent over backwards for KP. Not our fault that him and his dickhead brother forced our hand

This is not true

They wanted KP to trust their promises of a big pay day AND that they had a plan to build a winning team

The coach didn’t even know his health status and the. Talked some stupid **** to imply his recovery wasn’t as far along as it was. Given his uncertain contract situation at the time KP had every right to be super pissed

Add to that they spoke of building a smart 2 way team and then put together a trash 17 win team

And let’s also keep in mind we are hearing one side of the story namely Knicks mgmt

KP could have and should have handled it better and he certainly had bad advice from his brother but also consider this. Since his departure Knicks FO has been leaking all kind of explanations to justify their move. KP mostly silent

Everyone here knows if this were the celts gs spurs raptors. The situation would have been handled totally differently

Other than the Spurs, the teams you mentioned all lost superstars and got nothing for them.

Chandler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

MS wrote:Hysterical we dumped two of the worst contracts in sports. You mean the ones that are expiring this offseason?

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

I think there are well established reasons these things happened. The contracts were moved to clear cap space to have a run at the Kawhai, Durant, Kyrie level free agents. The pitch was come here build a superteam with some intriguing young players(high draft pick, Mitch, at the time DSJ, Frank)as support. It was a gamble that didn't pan out, but it was a reasonable move. Shitting on it like it was done for no reason hurts your argument. KP basically threatened to go back to Europe and not play the year for us. If that news had got out we would have received even less considering his injury concerns. We did not rush to use our cap space. I'm sure you've noticed that they are(except Randle) all 1 year deals so that most of the cap space will be available when its relevant again.

Things are definitely a bit of a mess now. Unfortunately it seems we don't have an NBA calibur point guard on the roster. I'm sure the plan was for DSJ or Frank to take the next step which they are both probably incapable of doing.

Why do fan know better than NYK management I have been saying for years that NYK is not a destination top tier free agents covet. Why is it that management of the Knicks don’t know this. They will do stupid thing like hire Fizdale not because he is a good coach but because he knows or has an in with top tier free agents. They will make comments like free agents will come because their front office is African-American. This is how an organization functions I find it ridiculous how these guys come to decisions that has Millions of dollars at stake.

I mean creating space for what they picked up when you could have just not made any moves. This team looks a whole lot better with KP, Barrett, Hardaway, Ntlikina, Robinson, Knox we have a lot of stupid moves made. That is why I feel Perry, Mills and Fizdale need to be fired ASAP.

KP said he wouldn't play here, he'd goto Europe. But lets say for argument sake you are actually his brother posting right here on UK; and MS is his mother! So obviously you guys would be in the know. KP takes the QO. At that point he can dictate what team he wants to goto in a trade and his trade value plummets to probably a second rounder and a bad contract because we have no leverage and he's cominig off a season of no play and injury. KP either gets traded then for that or goes on to be a FA. So somehow taking a small risk and clearing cap space to potentially getting a pair of superstars is unacceptable risk, but letting our own star likely walk for nothing is a no brainer. If you don't think you can sign or retain FAs ever you might as well move the team or dissolve it. But that's basically an unfounded assumption. If you are going to kill Perry and praise his players, you also have to give him credit for Barrett, Knox and Robinson too.

Failure in any relationship is not waiting to analyze what went wrong as they are walking out the door. But rather to analyze what your doing wrong and working on it before they even think about walking out.

If the Knicks knew there were issues (Obvious) and they thought KP was our franchise player they would have swallowed their pride and worked things out. Good organizations have the IQ and ability to do so. It is what it is. As I have said many times before, until we get REAL basketball guys in the FO, it will never change.

Had nothing to do with pride. Knicks bent over backwards for KP. Not our fault that him and his dickhead brother forced our hand

This is not true

They wanted KP to trust their promises of a big pay day AND that they had a plan to build a winning team

The coach didn’t even know his health status and the. Talked some stupid **** to imply his recovery wasn’t as far along as it was. Given his uncertain contract situation at the time KP had every right to be super pissed

Add to that they spoke of building a smart 2 way team and then put together a trash 17 win team

And let’s also keep in mind we are hearing one side of the story namely Knicks mgmt

KP could have and should have handled it better and he certainly had bad advice from his brother but also consider this. Since his departure Knicks FO has been leaking all kind of explanations to justify their move. KP mostly silent

Everyone here knows if this were the celts gs spurs raptors. The situation would have been handled totally differently

If this were the Celts or the Raptors, we would have let KP walk without any compensation. I'm mad at the front office over a lot of these things, but there is heck of a lot more to the KP situation than meets the eye. KP's side hasn't talked and I'm sure Perry and Mills have left a lot out from their narrative. Bottom line is that KP wanted to leave and we got the best, at least I hope we did, deal we could get at the time.