Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:He had nothing to do with LeBron or Wade. Wade was more products of Riley and SVG. LeBron is LeBron he knows basketball well beyond Fizdale. As far as Conley he took over a well established team and culture and he tore it down.
Now he is going to lean towards Payton which is predictable in the sense he basically hasn’t been able to develop talent and give talent a reason to thrive. Fiz is full of indecision and he lacks confidence in people. Fizdale is not coaching material by December fans will be calling for him to be fired.
Three point guards on board and he starts none of them. What does this say about Fiz? Did he give the team the best opportunity to win? Does he not trust his PGs to learn his system? Does he not believe in the team he has been given? Is he waiting for a savior to walk through the doors?

This guys is an absolute joke of a coach I’m shocked that such a knowledgeable fan base can’t see it.

fits narrative

It’s not a narrative I have no agenda. The reality is three PGs and not one of them started. If you look at that it reeks no system. You want answers so you created a thread. When someone gives it to you. And it doesn’t fit your narrative you call the others narrative driven.

Fizdale tried to look the genius with his ridiculous starting lineup and fell flat on his face and he didn’t learn from his mistake to boot.

I didnt want answers... I wanted discussion. Some of which I got. You say the same things all the time, Fizdale is clueless and Frank is the key to everything. So when the team's PG savior gets yanked after like 2.5 minutes of terrible play its pretty clear what your thoughts on the situation are going to be. You literally same the same things about the same things every time you post. Agenda, narrative, label it anyway you are comfortable.

Nalod wrote:I don't think Mike is saying Fiz had a hand in Wade being a HOF. but he was on the coaching staff.

You work with what you are familiar with. When the Heat were winning and Fizdale was on the staff who were the PGs? That is all I am saying... not the Fizdale is bad, but we may be seeing a guy navigate the hardest thing in basketball coaching to do... install a good offence without established guard play.

Then you can say he hasn’t done his job in establishing a consistent guard play.

I get its a position of need and unresolved questions. So far its eye worthy of how Fizdale handles this. Perry and co wanted to groom a young coach. I think we are seeing our first Fizdale test. It will take some time to play out. Guards havent made it easy on him. Or is it vice-versa?

I also saw an article where Conley credited Fiz and his staff for developing his finishing at the rim. Conley also had his best year at the rim when he played that season. Unfortunately, I can't find that specific quote now. I think it's fair to say Fiz had some success developing PGs. The thing Memphis fans seemed annoyed about was his ability to close games and his in-game decisions.

Not only was Fizdale able to work wonders with big men but Grizzlies’ guard Mike Conley also had a career year under him. In Fizdale’s modern offense Conley’s mid-range and deep two attempts went down four percent but in the world of a guard, that’s a considerable drop. Additionally, Conley’s three-point attempts rose by 12 percent and his conversion rate rose from 36 percent to 41 percent which was a career mark. As was the case with Gasol, Conley scored a career high in points with an average of 20.5 points per game on the year.

fact is, until you win more than 17 games its ugly. And last year it was ugly!

I look at DSJ who worked with the knicks staff all summer and he can't even crack the starting rotation.

Last summer the knicks staff kept Frank here all summer, and he looked worse than he did the previous yr....

Vmart wrote:

anrst wrote:Fizdale is not a coach.

He's someone that people like.

He loitered on the Heat staff and got people around the league to like him.

'Hey i sure would like to see that guy i like get a shot at head coach,' people said -- the subtext being, 'as long as it's not with my team'

And we fell for it

You hit the nail on the head. Fizdale was hired because he supposedly was friends and liked with the known NBA players. He wasn’t hired for his basketball acumen he was suppose to help land a big fish FA.

And nobody gives Natasha any credit?

You guys are brutal! LOL! JUST WIN BABY!!!!