Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

You spend too much time trying to make Mills look bad.
I spend too much making you look bad.

Twitter dude, really? You found a “Rainman circle jerk on mills”. Must have been great for you. A thread of narrow like minded.

With all about Media and the players on stage day one your consistant over time. More consumed by mills then the players.

Try rooting for the team to succeed than Mills failure.
Teams resigned their studs. Middleton goes back was easy. Brogdon is a good player on a good team.
Not sure our timeline is there for the Mooney Indy is pretty darn good. The way this team is moving I need to find my two core players then build on them. Mitch is obvious but offensively at best will be a 4-5th option at best. He could pull a Ewing and unleash a jump shot! Brogdon was a sign and trade. Indy traded a first round pick and two future seconds. Marv, you do that now? That timeline/deal is for team further along. Indy did a good deal for THEM. Middleton staring with bucks for 5 yrs and 178mil at age 28 on this roster? I like him but think of his situation in Milwaukee at his age and that money. No way he even entertains this. He shouldn’t. Why slam knicks for these moves? They were not really in anyone’s best interests or their best options.

Did media create the KD expectation more than reality?

brogdon signed for 4 years $85M. indy didn't have the cap space for him - we did. no assets needed to go. would have been sensational signing for us.

agree that middleton was too high for us.

So, just for clarity, Brogdon was a restricted free agent. Both owners of Milwaukee and Indiana were old school guys and Indiana called up asked if they could do a deal so that no poison pill contract needed to be offered. Assents were exchanged, Bucks got a first rounder and 2 second rounders. I am assuming Brogdon had a say in where he was going.

All 3 parties made this deal.

Knicks could have certainly offered a contract but Bucks could have sat on it for days, holding up cap space on the Knicks.

Knicks also had DSJr and Frank in the wings and RJ Barrett on deck. Is Malcomn a SG or PG?

He is an EXCELLENT shooter and that's pretty much all I know about his game.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

You spend too much time trying to make Mills look bad.
I spend too much making you look bad.

Twitter dude, really? You found a “Rainman circle jerk on mills”. Must have been great for you. A thread of narrow like minded.

With all about Media and the players on stage day one your consistant over time. More consumed by mills then the players.

Try rooting for the team to succeed than Mills failure.
Teams resigned their studs. Middleton goes back was easy. Brogdon is a good player on a good team.
Not sure our timeline is there for the Mooney Indy is pretty darn good. The way this team is moving I need to find my two core players then build on them. Mitch is obvious but offensively at best will be a 4-5th option at best. He could pull a Ewing and unleash a jump shot! Brogdon was a sign and trade. Indy traded a first round pick and two future seconds. Marv, you do that now? That timeline/deal is for team further along. Indy did a good deal for THEM. Middleton staring with bucks for 5 yrs and 178mil at age 28 on this roster? I like him but think of his situation in Milwaukee at his age and that money. No way he even entertains this. He shouldn’t. Why slam knicks for these moves? They were not really in anyone’s best interests or their best options.

Did media create the KD expectation more than reality?

brogdon signed for 4 years $85M. indy didn't have the cap space for him - we did. no assets needed to go. would have been sensational signing for us.

agree that middleton was too high for us.

So, just for clarity, Brogdon was a restricted free agent. Both owners of Milwaukee and Indiana were old school guys and Indiana called up asked if they could do a deal so that no poison pill contract needed to be offered. Assents were exchanged, Bucks got a first rounder and 2 second rounders. I am assuming Brogdon had a say in where he was going.

All 3 parties made this deal.

Knicks could have certainly offered a contract but Bucks could have sat on it for days, holding up cap space on the Knicks.

Knicks also had DSJr and Frank in the wings and RJ Barrett on deck. Is Malcomn a SG or PG?

He is an EXCELLENT shooter and that's pretty much all I know about his game.

yeah he's an historically good shooter ("In 2019, Brogdon became the eighth player in NBA history to achieve a 50–40–90 season") who's getting better every year. he's a sg tho he's also listed as a pg. good defender (was acc defensive player of the year as well as player of the year). i know all 3 parties made this deal - i just forgot he was restricted. never mind

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

I just used those guys as an example of the type of talent level we needed to avoid at the max. It's an agents job to look at every avenue possible to get the most money for their client. The Knicks had money and missed badly on the KD/ Kyrie package. It would make sense for other big money players to kick the tires. We wanted to go shorter term with our deals and probably said "not now, but let's keep in touch." Whatever. We have our roster and now it's time to move forward.

I agree with you. The Knicks shouldn't push to sign anything other than a top 5 or 10 player to a max deal unless they really believe it is the piece that puts the team over the top. Missing out on KD, I would focus on building a system and creating value for the franchise.

we have cleared enough cap over the yrs to signed a top 5 player going all the way back when Houston, MJ and Reggie Miller were UFA, and landed Houston in that class, then it was the LBJ wade, Bosh Amare UFA class, and Landed Amare, this time around we landed 3rd tier role players, the worst in 2 decades.

The only way to get a TOP 10 player in NY is go to all in and trade for them, because it's painfully obvious they're not coming here on their own, and it doesn't matter who is in the FO

Who is FO is not so high on FA check list.
But the roster makeup and the team potential is at the top.
Money grabbers and megalomans like Marbs or Melo sure have the all-alone and big-pay-check at the top of the list.
But real mega-talents and their support teams are looking at success ready teams first.
To the extend of joining championship ready teams as the top options. (see GS and KD and many more examples).
Knicks are not ready to the prime time. Not even close. So why anyone would expect mega-stars to come?

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

I just used those guys as an example of the type of talent level we needed to avoid at the max. It's an agents job to look at every avenue possible to get the most money for their client. The Knicks had money and missed badly on the KD/ Kyrie package. It would make sense for other big money players to kick the tires. We wanted to go shorter term with our deals and probably said "not now, but let's keep in touch." Whatever. We have our roster and now it's time to move forward.

I agree with you. The Knicks shouldn't push to sign anything other than a top 5 or 10 player to a max deal unless they really believe it is the piece that puts the team over the top. Missing out on KD, I would focus on building a system and creating value for the franchise.

we have cleared enough cap over the yrs to signed a top 5 player going all the way back when Houston, MJ and Reggie Miller were UFA, and landed Houston in that class, then it was the LBJ wade, Bosh Amare UFA class, and Landed Amare, this time around we landed 3rd tier role players, the worst in 2 decades.

The only way to get a TOP 10 player in NY is go to all in and trade for them, because it's painfully obvious they're not coming here on their own, and it doesn't matter who is in the FO

Who is FO is not so high on FA check list.
But the roster makeup and the team potential is at the top.
Money grabbers and megalomans like Marbs or Melo sure have the all-alone and big-pay-check at the top of the list.
But real mega-talents and their support teams are looking at success ready teams first.
To the extend of joining championship ready teams as the top options. (see GS and KD and many more examples).
Knicks are not ready to the prime time. Not even close. So why anyone would expect mega-stars to come?

we overpaid for every role player we got this off season..

Just look around the league, how many of the TOP 10 players are on teams that drafted them.

You really think KNOX, RJ, Trier, frank, or Mitch are going to be around for that championship run(whenever that is).

This season is going to dictate, who is going to be around for that run, because if we dont make the playoffs (37 wins should do the trick) in this weak ass EC, everybody should be fired.

knicks1248 plan for success
1) get winning players
b) only draft stars
x) win games

Marv wrote:

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

You spend too much time trying to make Mills look bad.
I spend too much making you look bad.

Twitter dude, really? You found a “Rainman circle jerk on mills”. Must have been great for you. A thread of narrow like minded.

With all about Media and the players on stage day one your consistant over time. More consumed by mills then the players.

Try rooting for the team to succeed than Mills failure.
Teams resigned their studs. Middleton goes back was easy. Brogdon is a good player on a good team.
Not sure our timeline is there for the Mooney Indy is pretty darn good. The way this team is moving I need to find my two core players then build on them. Mitch is obvious but offensively at best will be a 4-5th option at best. He could pull a Ewing and unleash a jump shot! Brogdon was a sign and trade. Indy traded a first round pick and two future seconds. Marv, you do that now? That timeline/deal is for team further along. Indy did a good deal for THEM. Middleton staring with bucks for 5 yrs and 178mil at age 28 on this roster? I like him but think of his situation in Milwaukee at his age and that money. No way he even entertains this. He shouldn’t. Why slam knicks for these moves? They were not really in anyone’s best interests or their best options.

Did media create the KD expectation more than reality?

brogdon signed for 4 years $85M. indy didn't have the cap space for him - we did. no assets needed to go. would have been sensational signing for us.

agree that middleton was too high for us.

So, just for clarity, Brogdon was a restricted free agent. Both owners of Milwaukee and Indiana were old school guys and Indiana called up asked if they could do a deal so that no poison pill contract needed to be offered. Assents were exchanged, Bucks got a first rounder and 2 second rounders. I am assuming Brogdon had a say in where he was going.

All 3 parties made this deal.

Knicks could have certainly offered a contract but Bucks could have sat on it for days, holding up cap space on the Knicks.

Knicks also had DSJr and Frank in the wings and RJ Barrett on deck. Is Malcomn a SG or PG?

He is an EXCELLENT shooter and that's pretty much all I know about his game.

yeah he's an historically good shooter ("In 2019, Brogdon became the eighth player in NBA history to achieve a 50–40–90 season") who's getting better every year. he's a sg tho he's also listed as a pg. good defender (was acc defensive player of the year as well as player of the year). i know all 3 parties made this deal - i just forgot he was restricted. never mind

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:95% fans know this is BS..

He wasn't talking about no damn middleton and tobias, their current teams already had them in the bag.

They didn't take a meeting with anyone, just like phil did with aldridge.

These dudes won't ever man up, they are getting roasted all over the internet..

If KD and Kyrie would have signed, and KP was still here, their wouldn't me so much negative comments towards them...

I just used those guys as an example of the type of talent level we needed to avoid at the max. It's an agents job to look at every avenue possible to get the most money for their client. The Knicks had money and missed badly on the KD/ Kyrie package. It would make sense for other big money players to kick the tires. We wanted to go shorter term with our deals and probably said "not now, but let's keep in touch." Whatever. We have our roster and now it's time to move forward.

I agree with you. The Knicks shouldn't push to sign anything other than a top 5 or 10 player to a max deal unless they really believe it is the piece that puts the team over the top. Missing out on KD, I would focus on building a system and creating value for the franchise.

we have cleared enough cap over the yrs to signed a top 5 player going all the way back when Houston, MJ and Reggie Miller were UFA, and landed Houston in that class, then it was the LBJ wade, Bosh Amare UFA class, and Landed Amare, this time around we landed 3rd tier role players, the worst in 2 decades.

The only way to get a TOP 10 player in NY is go to all in and trade for them, because it's painfully obvious they're not coming here on their own, and it doesn't matter who is in the FO

Who is FO is not so high on FA check list.
But the roster makeup and the team potential is at the top.
Money grabbers and megalomans like Marbs or Melo sure have the all-alone and big-pay-check at the top of the list.
But real mega-talents and their support teams are looking at success ready teams first.
To the extend of joining championship ready teams as the top options. (see GS and KD and many more examples).
Knicks are not ready to the prime time. Not even close. So why anyone would expect mega-stars to come?

we overpaid for every role player we got this off season..

Just look around the league, how many of the TOP 10 players are on teams that drafted them.

You really think KNOX, RJ, Trier, frank, or Mitch are going to be around for that championship run(whenever that is).

This season is going to dictate, who is going to be around for that run, because if we dont make the playoffs (37 wins should do the trick) in this weak ass EC, everybody should be fired.

Some random words put together rarely make sense.
You proved this rule once again perfectly.

Read that back to yourself and see if that makes sense..lol

"Overpay" is subjective. How do you justify the statement? Any means to compare? Which players of the 7 did we overpay and why?
Top 10 not with team drafted. OK, what does that mean? Cite some examples of players and why knicks are faultering here and what blown opportunities we missed and what the ramifications if we made a deal the team would look like afterwards.
Our yoot around for championship run? For that to happen they either have to be top players or we make trades. I doubt anyone thinks this roster is set and we just let I mature. Trades, FA's will happen. They need to be better assets to play or trade. You have read this 100 times.
37 wins? how do you quantify that? and how do you justify this roster if not meeting that arbitrary number would incite a complete house cleaning of the FO and coaches. What is your alternative roadmap?

Or you just a miserable sod who likes to whine a lot? Because that's how your posts come across.

Reading your posts is like being held captive by the character played by Cathy Bates in the movie "Misery".