fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

For me it just seems it takes pg’s 3 or 4 years in the NBA to really figure it out letting the game come to them. Look at Lowery who looked like a bust his first 3 /4 years before coming into his own
, or even d Russ. Or how Rubio was injured forever before building up his strength.

PG’s take time to develop... year 3 to 4 of NBA experience is a big stepping year especially for guards coming in at 18/19 years old.

I see frank coming into his own and letting the game come to him, he’s always had nice form on his shot, if he can become consistent and a threat from the outside it will open up the inside for him to over power his defender. At 6’7 225 he should dominate his pg opposition on both ends. Hopeful he can find a aggressive mindset because physically he is tantalizing.

Also look at the PG’s that came out of college with a bang like D rose seems like a super star that faded quick and the others like cp3 or Jkidd are generational once every 10 years.

Most PG’s in the NBA fall within the 3/4 year development before you know what they will become.

frank is not a NBA pg

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

For me it just seems it takes pg’s 3 or 4 years in the NBA to really figure it out letting the game come to them. Look at Lowery who looked like a bust his first 3 /4 years before coming into his own
, or even d Russ. Or how Rubio was injured forever before building up his strength.

PG’s take time to develop... year 3 to 4 of NBA experience is a big stepping year especially for guards coming in at 18/19 years old.

I see frank coming into his own and letting the game come to him, he’s always had nice form on his shot, if he can become consistent and a threat from the outside it will open up the inside for him to over power his defender. At 6’7 225 he should dominate his pg opposition on both ends. Hopeful he can find a aggressive mindset because physically he is tantalizing.

Also look at the PG’s that came out of college with a bang like D rose seems like a super star that faded quick and the others like cp3 or Jkidd are generational once every 10 years.

Most PG’s in the NBA fall within the 3/4 year development before you know what they will become.

frank is not a NBA pg

Your not an NBA scout. That said, He might be a pippin type player. Can guard 3 positions and had handle good enough start a fast break or play point forward. One thing, kid has to have an NBA shot. He has all the tools and a good acumen. We can argue all day about somethings but we all he agree he has to shoot, and get to the rim. WE have seen it. We need more at a high efficiency.

I trust Clarence Gaines JR before I trust the Rainman.......

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

For me it just seems it takes pg’s 3 or 4 years in the NBA to really figure it out letting the game come to them. Look at Lowery who looked like a bust his first 3 /4 years before coming into his own
, or even d Russ. Or how Rubio was injured forever before building up his strength.

PG’s take time to develop... year 3 to 4 of NBA experience is a big stepping year especially for guards coming in at 18/19 years old.

I see frank coming into his own and letting the game come to him, he’s always had nice form on his shot, if he can become consistent and a threat from the outside it will open up the inside for him to over power his defender. At 6’7 225 he should dominate his pg opposition on both ends. Hopeful he can find a aggressive mindset because physically he is tantalizing.

Also look at the PG’s that came out of college with a bang like D rose seems like a super star that faded quick and the others like cp3 or Jkidd are generational once every 10 years.

Most PG’s in the NBA fall within the 3/4 year development before you know what they will become.

frank is not a NBA pg

Your not an NBA scout. That said, He might be a pippin type player. Can guard 3 positions and had handle good enough start a fast break or play point forward. One thing, kid has to have an NBA shot. He has all the tools and a good acumen. We can argue all day about somethings but we all he agree he has to shoot, and get to the rim. WE have seen it. We need more at a high efficiency.

I trust Clarence Gaines JR before I trust the Rainman.......

I trust my own 2 eyes..

every player in the NBA has the potential to be more than they are, but 85% never do

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

I sincerely hope so!

But what is the likely #'s he will put up this year?

Assuming he is healthy, how many minutes does he get on this team?

Is he getting minutes as a PG? If DSjr and Payton are healthy, no.

Is he getting minutes as a SG? I have a hard time seeing that.

Now- we're in the front court. Is he getting minutes as SF? Maybe, but how many players will he be behind?

If he is lasting with NY past this season, I think he's got to grab some kind of opportunity in training camp, show something we've only seen in flashes, but sustain it and prove he belongs.

Because otherwise, he gets 10-20 minutes a game, averages 5-8 points a night, and his option is not picked up, and he goes the way of Burke, Mudiay and others - nice players that had promise, but didn't show enough to prevent the front office from wanting to evaluate other nice players with promise and maybe more of a proven track record.

If he plays D (AT PG!!), rebounds and is opportunistic on offense -- I'll be very happy and I think the team will benefit

I'm frankly (no pun intended) more concerned with the way Fizz will (mis)use Frank than I am concerned about what Frank is, and is not, capable of doing

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

For me it just seems it takes pg’s 3 or 4 years in the NBA to really figure it out letting the game come to them. Look at Lowery who looked like a bust his first 3 /4 years before coming into his own
, or even d Russ. Or how Rubio was injured forever before building up his strength.

PG’s take time to develop... year 3 to 4 of NBA experience is a big stepping year especially for guards coming in at 18/19 years old.

I see frank coming into his own and letting the game come to him, he’s always had nice form on his shot, if he can become consistent and a threat from the outside it will open up the inside for him to over power his defender. At 6’7 225 he should dominate his pg opposition on both ends. Hopeful he can find a aggressive mindset because physically he is tantalizing.

Also look at the PG’s that came out of college with a bang like D rose seems like a super star that faded quick and the others like cp3 or Jkidd are generational once every 10 years.

Most PG’s in the NBA fall within the 3/4 year development before you know what they will become.

frank is not a NBA pg

Disagree. Think he can be a good PG. He has a good handle. Has good vision. Can defend speed. Has good bball IQ. Runs the PnR well. Don't think he can be considered a SG until his confidence/outside shot improves. Think his length would be lost at the 3. Feel that if he picks up the pace and attacks more, he can be a smaller version of Simmons. Problem will be getting minutes at PG. Hopefully he will. Will be interesting to see how they handle him this year. Hopefully he puts it together. Don't know ho I feel about getting him minutes in the D league if he does not make the rotation. Would be a confidence blow but may be the best way to develop at the point.

CrushAlot wrote:This is good to hear. Hope he stays healthy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/frenchknickspod/status/1156270135969234945

What I was hoping for. When he gets physically strong, it allow him to be confident with taking contact. Which will boost his confidence overall.

Especially if he is able to get the better of smaller guards boosting his confidence.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is good to hear. Hope he stays healthy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/frenchknickspod/status/1156270135969234945

What I was hoping for. When he gets physically strong, it allow him to be confident with taking contact. Which will boost his confidence overall.

Especially if he is able to get the better of smaller guards boosting his confidence.

BigDaddyG wrote:

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https://twitter.com/FrNtilikina/status/1156274646507053056

Really sad when Frank fans have to resort to CGI..

One thing that will tell me that Frank has a new attitude on offense is when he leads with his chest. Has to be able to take a hit and finish. Takes practice, reps. Why Frank being at the bottom of the league at getting to the foul line, makes it hard to give him minutes.

Believe Fizdale can live with players having off shooting nights, as long as they're finding other ways to generate some offense. If Frank can get to the line at whatever the average is in this league. Bring back his stout defense. Frank should be able to find a place on lots of teams, if this one is too logjammed at guard. Even if he doesnt become a lights out shooter. Cant just rely on his defensive rep in today's NBA.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Dang frank, that’s a big defensive pg. who can overwhelm his opponents physically don’t underestimate frank this year. Year 3 is usually a big year for PG ‘s

is that coming out as a 4 year college grad? Which is 4 years away still.

Does last year count with his 904 minutes played?

We're still, I think, 2-3 years away from actually knowing if this kid can translate into an NBA contributor.

Don't know why this upcoming year can't be an indicator

For me it just seems it takes pg’s 3 or 4 years in the NBA to really figure it out letting the game come to them. Look at Lowery who looked like a bust his first 3 /4 years before coming into his own
, or even d Russ. Or how Rubio was injured forever before building up his strength.

PG’s take time to develop... year 3 to 4 of NBA experience is a big stepping year especially for guards coming in at 18/19 years old.

I see frank coming into his own and letting the game come to him, he’s always had nice form on his shot, if he can become consistent and a threat from the outside it will open up the inside for him to over power his defender. At 6’7 225 he should dominate his pg opposition on both ends. Hopeful he can find a aggressive mindset because physically he is tantalizing.

Also look at the PG’s that came out of college with a bang like D rose seems like a super star that faded quick and the others like cp3 or Jkidd are generational once every 10 years.

Most PG’s in the NBA fall within the 3/4 year development before you know what they will become.

frank is not a NBA pg

Disagree. Think he can be a good PG. He has a good handle. Has good vision. Can defend speed. Has good bball IQ. Runs the PnR well. Don't think he can be considered a SG until his confidence/outside shot improves. Think his length would be lost at the 3. Feel that if he picks up the pace and attacks more, he can be a smaller version of Simmons. Problem will be getting minutes at PG. Hopefully he will. Will be interesting to see how they handle him this year. Hopefully he puts it together. Don't know ho I feel about getting him minutes in the D league if he does not make the rotation. Would be a confidence blow but may be the best way to develop at the point.

Well said, Nalod and others too. Frank has too much talent to throw away at 19. I can't believe people, either totally wanting to give up on the guy or saying what he is capable of, after 2 seasons. And last year was a rough year for the kid, for the team. I really look forward to Frank this year. I too am not holding my breath, but his defense alone has me. As others said, he has a nice stroke and is a smart player. Hopefully this year it starts to click, his shot develops and with his weight/height, he gets more aggressive.