But, we have Barret, Frank, Dotson, Trier, DSJR and Allen. Let’s figure out if anyone can really play before moving them for peanuts because we have to play the new nudist, Payton.

God, I hate incompetence and this franchise. Torture rooting through Layden, Isiah, Mills and Dolan.

CleaverGreene wrote:

MS wrote:Front court help fine, we are a little thin.

But, we have Barret, Frank, Dotson, Trier, DSJR and Allen. Let’s figure out if anyone can really play before moving them for peanuts because we have to play the new nudist, Payton.

God, I hate incompetence and this franchise. Torture rooting through Layden, Isiah, Mills and Dolan.

A strange signing.

I assume Perry has a history with him, but I cannot understand this decision.

On June 25, 2012, Perry was hired by the Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan to become Hennigan's vice president and assistant general manager.[1] ESPN basketball analyst and former NBA player Chauncey Billups spoke highly of Perry as the assistant general manager of the Magic, saying, "I love Scott Perry in the front office."[4][5]

In his time in Orlando, Perry helped draft Victor Oladipo (2013), Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton (2014), and Mario Hezonja (2015). Only Gordon is still with the Magic as of the 2018-19 season.

TPercy wrote:This isn't a hard signing to understand. A Pg rotation of DSJ and Frank simply wasn't going to cut it.

They haven’t even been given a chance to show what they can do. Payton contact seems more like a gift from Perry.

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:This isn't a hard signing to understand. A Pg rotation of DSJ and Frank simply wasn't going to cut it.

They haven’t even been given a chance to show what they can do. Payton contact seems more like a gift from Perry.

Vmart wrote:Perry special favor.

He was involved in drafting both Hezonja and Payton. They took Hezonja over a number of decent players after not getting KP, and the team was fleeced by Philly after they talked Payton up so much that the Sixers drafted him to extort Orlando into flipping #1s and picking up some other picks for a player-Payton- they never wanted.

Wonder if Perry picked up Mario, and not Payton, to prove he/Orlando were actually right in taking them in the first place?

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:This isn't a hard signing to understand. A Pg rotation of DSJ and Frank simply wasn't going to cut it.

They haven’t even been given a chance to show what they can do. Payton contact seems more like a gift from Perry.

Dumb pickup which hurts guys you were hoping to see develop.

This might be Perry trying to prove that giving up a lot to Philly to trade for Payton was a good idea, despite his limited improvement as a player after 5 years in the league.

CrushAlot wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:This isn't a hard signing to understand. A Pg rotation of DSJ and Frank simply wasn't going to cut it.

They haven’t even been given a chance to show what they can do. Payton contact seems more like a gift from Perry.

As I wrote earlier...If Frank had just been handed the keys to the PG position from day one, and given 30MPG like Payton has always been given, his stats would have been the same as what Payton has put up every year for 5 years.

Dumb pickup which hurts guys you were hoping to see develop.

This might be Perry trying to prove that giving up a lot to Philly to trade for Payton was a good idea, despite his limited improvement as a player after 5 years in the league.

Frank wasn’t a point guard in Europe. At 18 he came to a different country and had to try to learn a new position and n the toughest league in the world. He was pencilled in for 21 minutes a night no matter what. He got tired in early February that year. Last year he was hurt for half the season. How svsituation with the Knicks hasn’t been great. If he was going to be an nba point guard he needed to go to Westchester and play on the ball a ton. He isn’t going to play point for the Knicks. They see him as a wing.

Not quite true. He was the lead ball handler when playing with his generational group. He did play more off the ball with his pro team, but he did run the offense from time to time. I won't say he won't play PG for an NBA team, but it probably won't be in the sense that many expect. I keep bringing up Diaw, because 1): They have similarly rough shooting percentages and 2) They were pigeonholed into positions that didn't necessarily fit. Diaw was brought in as an athletic swingman, but he frustrated people with his unselfishness.

CrushAlot wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:This isn't a hard signing to understand. A Pg rotation of DSJ and Frank simply wasn't going to cut it.

They haven’t even been given a chance to show what they can do. Payton contact seems more like a gift from Perry.

As I wrote earlier...If Frank had just been handed the keys to the PG position from day one, and given 30MPG like Payton has always been given, his stats would have been the same as what Payton has put up every year for 5 years.

Dumb pickup which hurts guys you were hoping to see develop.

This might be Perry trying to prove that giving up a lot to Philly to trade for Payton was a good idea, despite his limited improvement as a player after 5 years in the league.

Frank wasn’t a point guard in Europe. At 18 he came to a different country and had to try to learn a new position and n the toughest league in the world. He was pencilled in for 21 minutes a night no matter what. He got tired in early February that year. Last year he was hurt for half the season. How svsituation with the Knicks hasn’t been great. If he was going to be an nba point guard he needed to go to Westchester and play on the ball a ton. He isn’t going to play point for the Knicks. They see him as a wing.

Crush why are you saying he wasn't a pg? DO you have a basis for this. I just checked Wikipedia and saw many links which don't cite position, but the ones that did said pg: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/22/15856890/frank-ntilikina-nba-draft-travel-knicks-workout