SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.

Perry can't have that.

'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

Fizdale got rid of both kids who had played in Spain, Hernangomez and KP, which I find interesting given his attitude toward Gasol, played with Frank's confidence, and had an up and down relationship with Hezonja, who rarely got consistent playing time. Does he actually have an issue with European players, for some reason? Cannot understand why he would, but I find the plight of these 4 to be interesting.

CleaverGreene wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.

Perry can't have that.

'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

You're taking shots at his confidence, and not letting him grow into a role. The point of last year was letting kids grow and trying to help their confidence levels. If you have what you think is a talented player with confidence issues, bringing in tons of other players at the same position is not exactly the way to build that player's confidence.

Fizdale got rid of both kids who had played in Spain, Hernangomez and KP, which I find interesting given his attitude toward Gasol, played with Frank's confidence, and had an up and down relationship with Hezonja, who rarely got consistent playing time. Does he actually have an issue with European players, for some reason? Cannot understand why he would, but I find the plight of these 4 to be interesting.

Not everyone can bridge the cultural differences.
Fizdale is American dude to the core... so it may by not be his thing to deal with euros.
This also can be a general issue within the current Knicks FO.
They seems to value athleticism and physicality and this is hardly the strength of euro-players.
Diversity is goon on paper. In real life the style can dictate the personal.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.

Perry can't have that.

'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

well you could say because of Mud we embarked on the stupid idea of playing Frank out of position. He was an elite PnR defender guarding the point. Instead we had him guard 2s and 3s taking away his size advantage and more dumbly emphasizing his meager offense. They call a 2 a shooting guard for a reason -- why put a mediocre or bad shooter there.

they should keep frank at the point and make him a better version of Marcus Smart

They should also have some humility and less hubris thinking they're going to somehow rehab past lottery busts. They did better with Kadeem Allen

Vmart wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.

Perry can't have that.

'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

You're taking shots at his confidence, and not letting him grow into a role. The point of last year was letting kids grow and trying to help their confidence levels. If you have what you think is a talented player with confidence issues, bringing in tons of other players at the same position is not exactly the way to build that player's confidence.

Fizdale got rid of both kids who had played in Spain, Hernangomez and KP, which I find interesting given his attitude toward Gasol, played with Frank's confidence, and had an up and down relationship with Hezonja, who rarely got consistent playing time. Does he actually have an issue with European players, for some reason? Cannot understand why he would, but I find the plight of these 4 to be interesting.

Not everyone can bridge the cultural differences.
Fizdale is American dude to the core... so it may by not be his thing to deal with euros.
This also can be a general issue within the current Knicks FO.
They seems to value athleticism and physicality and this is hardly the strength of euro-players.
Diversity is goon on paper. In real life the style can dictate the personal.

He needs to wake because Euro players walked away with majority of the NBA hardware this year.

They are grown man and they will not change.
There is no such thing as wake up. Too late.
They will make the dish the way they know how to cook and from ingredients they understand.
Euros are a minority in NBA. Some spices to add to the main dish.
Knicks FO still need to figure out how to cook it.
Only then it will be time to add some spices.